Info: Re-mixed audio tracks on video releases — Page 12

msycamore said:

Need to check which LD issue of Dirty Harry I own, I'm 99% sure mine got the original mono.

I went back to examine the audio on the old MGM's Reg1 The Fog DVD and the mono track available on it may actually be the real thing contrary to what I previously stated in the first post of this thread, but the quality of the track is so flat, muffled and bad in its quality it's hard to tell for sure what it really is, the original track on my old VHS is so much superior in comparison it's not even funny.

The 5.1 provided on that same disc is actually pretty damn good and a much closer representation of the original mix in its clarity, but being a modern re-mix it also have its issues such as missing or inaudible fx and dialogue, the inaudible "Oh, Jesus." line in the car from Tom Atkins character (Nick Castle) in close-up when they rescue the kid comes to mind as one of the most awkward errors.

Reports and reviews of the BD seems to indicate Shout Factory ported the audio from the MGM release but this time they're of course in DTS-HD Master Audio. PDB, if you ever find the time to examine this for me could you please check and confirm that this mixing-error is still present in the BD's 5.1 track?

Wow, good call msycamore, never noticed that difference. The blu-ray is exactly the same. The "Oh Jesus" is almost non-existent on the BD 5.1, but mixed at normal levels on BD mono.  The 5.1 seems to be the same as the MGM DVD 5.1. Also I checked the BD's mono vs the LD's mono and they seem to be the same, so the BD's mono seems to be the original. (The LD also has the "Oh Jesus" mixed normal)

msycamore said:

PDB said:

Wow, good call msycamore, never noticed that difference. The blu-ray is exactly the same. The "Oh Jesus" is almost non-existent on the BD 5.1, but mixed at normal levels on BD mono.  The 5.1 seems to be the same as the MGM DVD 5.1. Also I checked the BD's mono vs the LD's mono and they seem to be the same, so the BD's mono seems to be the original. (The LD also has the "Oh Jesus" mixed normal)

Thanks for going through the trouble and confirming that for me! And yes, the audible Tom Atkins line in the mono track is definitely one telltale sign it isn't a simple downmix, but unfortunately the muffled quality of that track is so bad it's not even an option for me. Might be seeking out one of the earlier LD issues with analog mono for a potential better sounding mono track. Is it the '95 Widescreen LD that you own?

Yep it is this one :

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/06566/ID2846SU/Fog-The:-Special-Edition-(1980)

Does anyone have any comments on the DTS-HD MA 5.1 on the BD of Forbidden Planet (1956)?

Chewtobacca said:

Does anyone have any comments on the DTS-HD MA 5.1 on the BD of Forbidden Planet (1956)?

Avatar_Emil said:

BD: Both Dolby TrueHD 5.1 and mono sound is available on the 70th Anniversary Blu-ray. Mono is unavailable on the 75th Anniversary Blu-Ray. Mono is altered.

Thanks for pointing that out since I was gonna post that the 75th Anniversary BluRay has the mono not the DVD version.

I picked up the Oz 75th Blu-Ray that was $3.96 on Black Friday, and there is indeed a mono track.

I just popped it in to verify and it's definitely there but it is oddly located in the Special Features section and is not accessible in the audio options portion of the menu. Just select it in the Special Features or switch to it on your remote but it's definitely there.

Also, it is not listed on the packaging either, so maybe this is what's causing confusion? My friend also has the 3-D box set that just came out at the same time and my disc is the same as disc 2 in that set.

I have converted ac3 & DTS tracks to WAV, Flac, Ogg Vorbis, & even MP3 & It strips  it of all the Dialnorm & DRC & brings it back to its master settings.

I have used Handbrake & DVD audio extractor/ripper & it does the job well.

Hold on to your older DVD's many of them include the original mixes of the films.

here is an example of one i did for the Movie Poltergeist 2: The Other Side. here is the link: http://www.packupload.com/QLQVATPMD50

Here is another one, Titan A.E. in Flac from the DVD 2.0 Pro Logic file:

http://www.packupload.com/P2RKGCM63AO

it is 499mb, so its pretty large

I converted the Poltergeist II AC3 2.0 Pro logic track to Flac & it sounds phenomenal! If any of you have the LD version compare my rip to the LD & I guarantee that it will sound nearly Identical.

I have done this with about 10 movies & they sound amazing.

Find the 1993 unaltered Star Wars Trilogy DVD's released in 2006 & convert The Pro Logic AC3 files to Flac using DVD Audio Extractor. You will be blown away by the dynamics, trust me!

remember to set the appropriate channels such as 6 channels for 5.1 content, & 2 channels for Mono & Stereo soundtracks when you rip.

 you wont be disappointed once you try it

SilverWook,

Yeah, it was released Theatrically with 5.1 Dolby Digital.

The DTS mix is authentic according to IMDB which says that it was released in Dolby Digital , DTS & SDDS.

The link I Posted was just the 2.0 Pro logic mix that was on the DVD(Converted from AC3 to Flac) Most Older Fox DVD's came with 2.0 Pro logic tracks.

Let me know what you think about my FLAC rips!

Avatar_Emil said: IT DOES? How do you know that? I was under the impression that the 75th anniversary Blu-ray DIDN'T have mono. Also, according to this, there was a DVD release which did have mono, if not two.

 This article on bluray.com on the release does confirm a mono mix.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Wizard-of-Oz-3D-Blu-ray/72226/#Review

Avatar_Emil said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Avatar_Emil said: IT DOES? How do you know that? I was under the impression that the 75th anniversary Blu-ray DIDN'T have mono. Also, according to this, there was a DVD release which did have mono, if not two.

 This article on bluray.com on the release does confirm a mono mix.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Wizard-of-Oz-3D-Blu-ray/72226/#Review

 Thanks everybody for confirming this. Here is the updated info:

VHS: Unknown if VHS had original mono. High possibility that they have.

LD: Some LD's are mono (like the 50th Anniversary Edition), others were fake stereo (like a Japanese release with reference number G98F5545).

DVD: Dolby Digital 5.1 for the simple release, slightly altered mono included in the Collector's Edition and 70th Anniversary Edition.

BD: Both Dolby TrueHD 5.1 and mono sound is available on both the 70th Anniversary Blu-ray and the 75th Anniversary 2D and 3D Blu-ray.

                                                                                                                  

And here's something that I can't wrap my head around. About 2 years ago, the 1994 Don Bluth movie Thumbelina got released on Blu-ray. As far as I know, it was a European only release, but despite having 8 different dubs available, one is very absent, namely the Swedish dub. I know that this movie got a Swedish dub, because I owned a VHS that was dubbed in Swedish, but the only thing we Swedish speakers got on Blu-ray and even DVD was Swedish subtitles. I think that when 20th Century Fox got the distribution rights for this movie from Warner Bros., they for some reason removed the Swedish dub. What do you think of this?

Avatar_Emil , Thumbelina was  released on Blu-Ray Here in the US. I have seen it at Walmart many times, & you can find it at amazon.com.

A lot of dubs/ Languages get removed on Blu-Ray for some reason. I guess the studios think that there is no demand for certain languages, or maybe it has to do with Royalties for the voice actors in those regions

I'm also curious as to how the mono of Jaws is on the Blu-Ray. I have the 2012 DVD and after watching it with the mono I think the mono mix on the 2005 DVD is somewhat better. I noticed a little more clarity on the older release. One thing I noticed is that the sound of the shark crushing up the cage around 1:56:07 sounds a bit drowned out on the mono mix on the 2012 DVD than the 2005 DVD. I also was checking out the 2012 DVD for E.T. and the music sounds odd during the close up shot of the agents rifle. It sounds like it almost switches to a mono mix and cuts back to regular when it cuts to Elliott closing his eyes. Anyone got anything on this???

crissrudd4554 said:

I'm also curious as to how the mono of Jaws is on the Blu-Ray. I have the 2012 DVD and after watching it with the mono I think the mono mix on the 2005 DVD is somewhat better. I noticed a little more clarity on the older release. One thing I noticed is that the sound of the shark crushing up the cage around 1:56:07 sounds a bit drowned out on the mono mix on the 2012 DVD than the 2005 DVD. I also was checking out the 2012 DVD for E.T. and the music sounds odd during the close up shot of the agents rifle. It sounds like it almost switches to a mono mix and cuts back to regular when it cuts to Elliott closing his eyes. Anyone got anything on this???

 It's probably due to different source elements used for remasters. Some of the mixes could be alternates.

Have you heard the muffled audio track for the Bruce Lee movie Game Of Death on the Bruce Lee Ultimate Collection DVD Set? The Audio on the older Bruce Lee: The Master Collection Set is way way better because the  Audio Elements Golden Harvest used were Different from the ones used by Fox for there Bruce Lee Laserdisc/VHS/DVD Set (The Master Collection is The Identical Masters used for the Widescreen VHS & Widescreen Laserdisc. The CBS/FOX special Widescreen Edition Appears at the beginning of the Movie.

Good point. I guess it does depend on the elements that are used. For example I think the audio on the Image and Criterion DVDs for RoboCop sound much better than any of the MGM releases. Nothing particularly different but it just seems like its mixed better. For example, check out the scene where Clarences gang open fire  on the open highway before realizing Murphy and Lewis have maneuvered the car to the side of the van. The gun shots sound a lot better on the older release. They seem a bit watered down in the MGM releases. Interestingly, I have the MGM version of RoboCop for itunes and that version sounds better than the MGM DVDs! 

crissrudd4554 said:

Good point. I guess it does depend on the elements that are used. For example I think the audio on the Image and Criterion DVDs for RoboCop sound much better than any of the MGM releases. Nothing particularly different but it just seems like its mixed better. For example, check out the scene where Clarences gang open fire  on the open highway before realizing Murphy and Lewis have maneuvered the car to the side of the van. The gun shots sound a lot better on the older release. They seem a bit watered down in the MGM releases. Interestingly, I have the MGM version of RoboCop for itunes and that version sounds better than the MGM DVDs! 

 It sounds better because it's the original Dolby SR 2 channel mix on the Image & Criterion DVD's. The 20th anniversary DVD & Blu Ray Of Robocop does have a Dolby 4.0 track however (Which is the Original Audio, but Discrete 4 channel vs matrixed Dolby Stereo Pro Logic) so maybe that mix will sound better than the MGM 5.1 Remixed versions.

My Big Gripe with The New Robocop Remastered in 4k Blu-Ray is that they did not include the Original Dolby 4.0 Audio that was on the Blu-Ray version that was released in 2007. I will still buy the 4k remastered version though.

dwalkerdon23 said: It sounds better because it's the original Dolby SR 2 channel mix on the Image & Criterion DVD's. The 20th anniversary DVD & Blu Ray Of Robocop does have a Dolby 4.0 track however (Which is the Original Audio, but Discrete 4 channel vs matrixed Dolby Stereo Pro Logic) so maybe that mix will sound better than the MGM 5.1 Remixed versions.

I've listened to the 4.0 mix. It's not much different from the 5.1 mix even though the 4.0 mix is listed as the original. I still prefer the Image & Criterion versions. One thing I'd like to know is if on the 4k release is the flashback shot of Joe and Emil when Murphy is operated on has been fixed. On the last release this shot came out very dark and you could hardly spot them.

crissrudd4554 said:

dwalkerdon23 said: It sounds better because it's the original Dolby SR 2 channel mix on the Image & Criterion DVD's. The 20th anniversary DVD & Blu Ray Of Robocop does have a Dolby 4.0 track however (Which is the Original Audio, but Discrete 4 channel vs matrixed Dolby Stereo Pro Logic) so maybe that mix will sound better than the MGM 5.1 Remixed versions.

I've listened to the 4.0 mix. It's not much different from the 5.1 mix even though the 4.0 mix is listed as the original. I still prefer the Image & Criterion versions. One thing I'd like to know is if on the 4k release is the flashback shot of Joe and Emil when Murphy is operated on has been fixed. On the last release this shot came out very dark and you could hardly spot them.

 

The Image & Criterion DVD's probably come straight from the Dolby SR Master Tapes.