Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD** — Page 104

I wonder how long it'll be before they have to revise their "canon" to accommodate more changes made to the mythos.

darklordoftech said:

Is it possible for anything to ever be as good as the OOT?

 If anyone goes into the ST with the expectations that it will be as good or great as the OOT then you will be letdown.  I said the same thing to my friends before the PT, as they got WAY too excited. 

If there was a recipe for great movies, then we would see more every year from Hollywood, but everything has to go right for a movie to be great. 

-The OOT characters had perfect chemistry and related to the public.

-The story was interesting enough to relate to any age group.

-The Galaxy wowed fans because it took them to a place they had never seen before.

I think it is more amazing that ESB is just as great as Star Wars when you look at all movie franchises.  Usually, the original is great, and the sequels maybe good, but they usually don't reach the level of the original.  ESB is as good as Star Wars and probably better in many ways. 

I think the ST can be good (for SW fans only) because it is in our DNA to love anything in this universe if its done right.  I don't think Abrams will be able to capture that chemistry with a new cast (Skywalker Offspring), hence why he is making Luke, Leia and Han so prominent in Episode 7. 

In the end, I think many people here will rank the trilogies:

1.  OT

2.  ST

3.  PT

And you will have battles as to each fans canon:

-Star Wars 1977

-OOT only

-OOT + ST

-PT + OT/SE + ST

-PT + OT/SE

Let the debate begin!!!  LOL!

CO said:

-Star Wars 1977

-OOT only

-OOT + ST

-PT + OT/SE + ST

-PT + OT/SE

I was told there would be no math.

TV's Frink said:

CO said:

-Star Wars 1977

-OOT only

-OOT + ST

-PT + OT/SE + ST

-PT + OT/SE

I was told there would be no math.

 LOL!

Who would have thought the Star Wars Saga would look like an Algebra question after all these years! 

Harmy said:

I personally don't give a crap about what is and isn't canon. For example, the Sherlock Holmes stories are not exactly canonical, yet it makes no difference to my enjoyment of them.

And as for Star Wars, I for example love the Thrawn Trilogy but if Ep7 doesn't take it as canon, it's not going to do anything to my enjoyment of those books and, if it's any good, of the movie either.

The words of a true fiction fan.  It's a shame most Star Wars fans don't have this mentality.

I think it's why many people refuse to accept the faults of the PT.  They are so invested in the Saga, and if they accept that the prequels aren't great, it will tarnish the entire GFFA.  Denial essentially, because they don't have the ability to enjoy the individual stories/films for what they are.

Humby said:

I think it's why many people refuse to accept the faults of the PT.  They are so invested in the Saga, and if they accept that the prequels aren't great, it will tarnish the entire GFFA.  Denial essentially, because they don't have the ability to enjoy the individual stories/films for what they are.

 I agree with this and I blame Lucas for constantly talking about the 'Saga' that he has warped everyone's minds that the movies have to be watched this way or you can't enjoy them another way.

I grew up at a time (77-83) when the movies stood on their own, and before the days of VHS/DVD/Bluray, you watched the movies on HBO one at a time.  Star Wars in 1983, ESB in 1986, and ROTJ in 1988, so I never really thought of them as the Star Wars Trilogy when watching them.

Each movie stood on its own merits and even though they connected into a bigger story, you really didn't watch them that way back then.  Its just impractical to watch these movies back to back to back in marathon form all the time, and that is the only way they work the way Lucas is talking about.  The OOT movies worked great as a trilogy, yet you could watch any of the 3 individually and get just as much enjoyment.

NeverarGreat said:

Just yesterday I realized more than ever before that Star Wars wasn't the saga George had intended, and indeed it wasn't even the original trilogy. It was and should be a single movie experience, and people like myself and many others on this forum who look at it with an eye to interpreting every aspect of the story are missing the point. For all its detail and worldbuilding, it's actually quite dreamlike. You get caught up in the experience and believe it entirely while it's playing, so making it an intellectual exercise does it a disservice. It affects our collective subconscious in a way that few movies can ever hope to do, and something I never experienced upon first viewing, having seen the VHS on small TV.

So yeah, I agree with y'all!

 I think that's what hurts many 'franchises' today, because they are all made KNOWING there will be sequels and possibly prequels.

What made the Star Wars era different (Raiders of the Lost, Back to the Future, Alien, etc) is that the director went all out in each movie because you never knew if there would be another. 

I love that Star Wars is a standalone movie and has a beginning, middle and ending despite it can be watched as Part 1 of 3 of the Star Wars Trilogy.  How anti-climatic would it have been if the movie ended with Luke, Leia and Han escaping the Death Star and the movie end, AND the battle of Yavin was saved until ROTJ?  If Lucas knew he was going to be making a trilogy in 1977, this is the way it would have ended and the Original movie wouldn't have been as good.

Should the Jedi use the class system from JAT, the master and apprentice system  from the prequels, some other system, or a combination?

I'd say a combination of the JAT class system and the master and apprentice system (only without the stupid one-pupil-per-teacher rule).

xhonzi said:

It seems silly to name the kid Ben, and then otherwise completely contradict the EU. 

"Ben" says to that they're tyring to go in EU-agnostic.  If you know his name is Ben from the EU, good for you, it's just like the EU.  If you don't, then you probably don't know or care.  Good for you too.  Everyvbody wins.

I feel as though they wont be able to go EU-agnostic, as you put it (I like that term, I'm going to steal it and use it from now on).  There are just so many details that at least some of them will impede the story they want to tell.  And honestly, I think the transition to Disney may have caused a lack of initiative to flesh out all the EU related issues for the new films.  But that's just my own speculation.

If that is the case, it makes me wonder why they would try to align some things and not others.  Why not create everything from scratch if half of the EU gets retconned anyways?  It would make more sense to me to just keep the existing EU in it's own timeline or "classic canon-verse."  And then from now on promote a new timeline or "sequel canon-verse".  Just like Marvel has the 616 Universe and the Ultimate Universe.  The materials that get printed/created from here on out can be advertised as classic or sequel canon.  And the EU writers can choose which canon they want to create new stories for.  This would give the sequels to start from scratch, and not have to half-ass some elements of EU into and/or out of the sequels.

For me, I really have no preference at all.  I've followed a bit of EU, but not much, and I won't be heartbroken if they contradict/retcon it.  It doesn't effect my enjoyment of those stories and it won't effect my enjoyment of the new films.

Humby said:

If that is the case, it makes me wonder why they would try to align some things and not others.  Why not create everything from scratch if half of the EU gets retconned anyways?

 Perhaps the writers of DC Comics have taken over the EU ;-)

DuracellEnergizer said:

Humby said:

If that is the case, it makes me wonder why they would try to align some things and not others.  Why not create everything from scratch if half of the EU gets retconned anyways?

 Perhaps the writers of DC Comics have taken over the EU ;-)

But I mean start from scratch with the film, not the EU.  Whether they reboot the EU or not I couldn't really care less.  But if the film only picks and chooses some elements of the EU, why even bother?  Just ignore all of the EU to create a restriction free film.

I'm impressed that a year in nobody has really leaked anything of substance.

...opps sorry I was just market testing these incontinence pants for Mad Scientist Magazine.

Tyrphanax said:

TV's Frink said:

I made a Star Wars movie.  Two, in fact, with a third bun in the oven.

 Be careful, Frink. I've been having dreams that you die in childbirth.

 Let's run away to naboo.com, where there will be nothing but our love.