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Info Wanted: DTS Tracks on Superbit DVD's... Original Cinema DTS mixes???

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I’ve been perusing the threads about the preservation of rare/original Cinema DTS tracks for various films, and it got me thinking…

Do any of the Superbit DVD Titles utilize original Cinema DTS mixes?  Or are they simply just yet another remix of a film’s audio for home video?

EDIT: I own the following R1 Superbit Titles…

  • Spider-Man 2
  • xXx
  • S.W.A.T.
  • Desperado
  • Snatch
  • Resident Evil
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Not sure if there is anyway to tell bar JP 

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I have the xXx Superbit.  The DTS track, while good, still to me lacked the overall impact of the theatrical Dolby Digital I saw.  I mean, I did see it in a really well tuned cinema, but still, nothing has yet to match just how good that mix was.  

I'd love to get the cinema DTS disc synced to the Blu-ray and compare.  

The AC3 track from the DVDs was pathetic.

“Alright twinkle-toes, what’s your exit strategy?”

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I have some Superbit DVDs as well; this isn't the complete list, but anyway:

  • Black Hawk Down
  • Bram Stoker's Dracula
  • Charlie's Angels (not sure which)
  • Cliffhanger
  • Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
  • Fifth Element
  • Hollow Man
  • Men In Black (I and II)
  • Resident Evil
  • S.W.A.T.
  • snatch
  • Starship Troopers
  • John Carpenter's Vampires
  • Vertical Limit
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borisanddoris said:

I have the xXx Superbit.  The DTS track, while good, still to me lacked the overall impact of the theatrical Dolby Digital I saw.  I mean, I did see it in a really well tuned cinema, but still, nothing has yet to match just how good that mix was.  

I'd love to get the cinema DTS disc synced to the Blu-ray and compare.  

The AC3 track from the DVDs was pathetic.

 I read in one of those other forums about Cinema DTS preservations that the DTS disc used with xXx in the theaters has been found.  Haven't seen it surface anywhere just yet though...

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nafroe said:

borisanddoris said:

I have the xXx Superbit.  The DTS track, while good, still to me lacked the overall impact of the theatrical Dolby Digital I saw.  I mean, I did see it in a really well tuned cinema, but still, nothing has yet to match just how good that mix was.  

I'd love to get the cinema DTS disc synced to the Blu-ray and compare.  

The AC3 track from the DVDs was pathetic.

 I read in one of those other forums about Cinema DTS preservations that the DTS disc used with xXx in the theaters has been found.  Haven't seen it surface anywhere just yet though...

 Yep this thread ...http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/DTS-audio-preservation-UPDATE-29-JAN-2014-Work-In-Progress/topic/15271/

Still needs to be worked on and synced though.

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That is why we need someone with the JP superbit, i have a rip somewhere I think as we have the cinema DTS and can 1:1 it 

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I have heard that the Ghostbusters Superbit DTS mix is different/better than the other mixes found on DVD and Blu-ray. Does anyone know if this is true?

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nafroe said:

borisanddoris said:

I have the xXx Superbit.  The DTS track, while good, still to me lacked the overall impact of the theatrical Dolby Digital I saw.  I mean, I did see it in a really well tuned cinema, but still, nothing has yet to match just how good that mix was.  

I'd love to get the cinema DTS disc synced to the Blu-ray and compare.  

The AC3 track from the DVDs was pathetic.

 I read in one of those other forums about Cinema DTS preservations that the DTS disc used with xXx in the theaters has been found.  Haven't seen it surface anywhere just yet though...

nafroe,

Welcome to the forum.  These discs don't just surface magically.  The editing process for synch does take some time and we usually plan this around a project.  DoomBot and I have another round of movies to work on for the audio sync.  I can certainly add this in now that others are looking to see the movie this way.  

:)

dvdmike said:

That is why we need someone with the JP superbit, i have a rip somewhere I think as we have the cinema DTS and can 1:1 it 

 This, I know I have.

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rockin said:

I have heard that the Ghostbusters Superbit DTS mix is different/better than the other mixes found on DVD and Blu-ray. Does anyone know if this is true?

 I used to own these (and Ghostbusters 2).  I'm 90% sure they're the same as the mix on the 2005 dvd.  I ripped the dts files before selling them, so I could check if there's anything specific I can listen out for?

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Jetrell Fo said:

nafroe said:

borisanddoris said:

I have the xXx Superbit.  The DTS track, while good, still to me lacked the overall impact of the theatrical Dolby Digital I saw.  I mean, I did see it in a really well tuned cinema, but still, nothing has yet to match just how good that mix was.  

I'd love to get the cinema DTS disc synced to the Blu-ray and compare.  

The AC3 track from the DVDs was pathetic.

 I read in one of those other forums about Cinema DTS preservations that the DTS disc used with xXx in the theaters has been found.  Haven't seen it surface anywhere just yet though...

nafroe,

Welcome to the forum.  These discs don't just surface magically.  The editing process for synch does take some time and we usually plan this around a project.  DoomBot and I have another round of movies to work on for the audio sync.  I can certainly add this in now that others are looking to see the movie this way.  

:)

dvdmike said:

That is why we need someone with the JP superbit, i have a rip somewhere I think as we have the cinema DTS and can 1:1 it 

 This, I know I have.

 It the only way to be sure of this theory 

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dvdmike said:

Jetrell Fo said:

nafroe said:

borisanddoris said:

I have the xXx Superbit.  The DTS track, while good, still to me lacked the overall impact of the theatrical Dolby Digital I saw.  I mean, I did see it in a really well tuned cinema, but still, nothing has yet to match just how good that mix was.  

I'd love to get the cinema DTS disc synced to the Blu-ray and compare.  

The AC3 track from the DVDs was pathetic.

 I read in one of those other forums about Cinema DTS preservations that the DTS disc used with xXx in the theaters has been found.  Haven't seen it surface anywhere just yet though...

nafroe,

Welcome to the forum.  These discs don't just surface magically.  The editing process for synch does take some time and we usually plan this around a project.  DoomBot and I have another round of movies to work on for the audio sync.  I can certainly add this in now that others are looking to see the movie this way.  

:)

dvdmike said:

That is why we need someone with the JP superbit, i have a rip somewhere I think as we have the cinema DTS and can 1:1 it 

 This, I know I have.

 It the only way to be sure of this theory 

I will rip my JP-DTS Superbit and send it to you.  I'm betting we'd have to go through each movie separately to compare DTS audio.  I don't think it would be as simple as testing 1 movie.  I could be wrong but the studios aren't always that smart as we seem to find out from theory testing ..... LOL

:) 

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According to this discussion, most Superbit DVDs are only half-rate DTS.  This is unfortunate since some earlier DVDs used full-bitrate DTS.  Here's a list of DTS DVDs with bitrates.

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edwardar said:

rockin said:

I have heard that the Ghostbusters Superbit DTS mix is different/better than the other mixes found on DVD and Blu-ray. Does anyone know if this is true?

 I used to own these (and Ghostbusters 2).  I'm 90% sure they're the same as the mix on the 2005 dvd.  I ripped the dts files before selling them, so I could check if there's anything specific I can listen out for?

Hmm, I am not really sure what to specifically compare. However, I always think a good test for dynamics is the beginning at the library right to the scene where the ghostbusters title logo appears. There are probably better ones, but I always think the opening scene is a good one, specifically for listening to the music as the camera pans to the lion statue in front of the library, and the subtleties in the music as the librarian walks through the library.

I know for fact the Criterion laserdisc is louder and better than the the dvd and blu-ray mixes, that is why I am curious about the Superbit DTS mix.