There is a possible way to not mention too much about episodes 1-3, but it will determine what episode VII will be about. I for one would like to ignore the prequel trilogy all together. I still to this day can't believe George Lucas actually made those movies, even though they have their moments, but overall he missed the exhaust port with these movies, so in saying if Abrams is smart, he'll ignore them all together and start something new.
I can't wait for episodes vii, viii, and ix to anger those who claim to be "open" to retconning.
The one thing the Sequel trilogy is going to do and will have fans up in arms. Is that everything which started with Heir to the Empire is now gone. The EU has been effectively rebooted or erased.
Not exactly the thing EU fans thought they were getting. They maybe imagined wrongly that the Zahn trilogy would be loosely followed by the new scripts.
Lucas has always maintained that the EU never happened or was a separate universe. Was something that came out of licensing and was just really a source of revenue. Remember Lucas was financing his own films he was not a multi- billion dollar studio like Disney.
He never intended to make them after 2005 the sequel films i mean. He intended the story to always be the tragedy of darth vader. Wonder what Retcon is coming to undue that the Empire is dead and its only six films. Where is this new story going to come from. Probably whole cloth and whether or not its accepted is anyone's guess.
They may as well have Tarkin come on screen and say " the last vestiges of the Old EU have been swept away."
It will be like JJ Trek where Enterprise happened but not the original series the movies or the next gen. Only the 2011 star wars prequel and special edition will be the continuity the sequels follow. The oot or pre sequel EU never happened.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:
He never intended to make them after 2005 the sequel films i mean. He intended the story to always be the tragedy of darth vader. Wonder what Retcon is coming to undue that the Empire is dead and its only six films. Where is this new story going to come from. Probably whole cloth and whether or not its accepted is anyone's guess.
Have you not been listening?
Lucas originally envisioned it as NINE films. And never was it completely about Darth Vader!
Tell me, if it was always supposed to be Darth Vader's story, then why is Vader practically a side-character in the original film?
And we've already discussed several feasible ways to have a trilogy without the aid of the Empire.
I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.
Just pointing out Lucas said there is no story. and Luke does not get married.
If they have a story set after ROTJ and Luke is married or has a son or daughter its against the intent Lucas had in 2005. But hey 4 billion dollars will change one's mind.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:
The one thing the Sequel trilogy is going to do and will have fans up in arms. Is that everything which started with Heir to the Empire is now gone. The EU has been effectively rebooted or erased.
Not exactly the thing EU fans thought they were getting. They maybe imagined wrongly that the Zahn trilogy would be loosely followed by the new scripts.
Lucas has always maintained that the EU never happened or was a separate universe. Was something that came out of licensing and was just really a source of revenue. Remember Lucas was financing his own films he was not a multi- billion dollar studio like Disney.
He never intended to make them after 2005 the sequel films i mean. He intended the story to always be the tragedy of darth vader. Wonder what Retcon is coming to undue that the Empire is dead and its only six films. Where is this new story going to come from. Probably whole cloth and whether or not its accepted is anyone's guess.
They may as well have Tarkin come on screen and say " the last vestiges of the Old EU have been swept away."
It will be like JJ Trek where Enterprise happened but not the original series the movies or the next gen. Only the 2011 star wars prequel and special edition will be the continuity the sequels follow. The oot or pre sequel EU never happened.
Not everyone religiously follows the EU. Disney is going to be courting people who have only seen the films as well. About the only time the EU even got national media attention was when Chewbacca was killed off in Vector Prime.
If people are going to have a hissy fit because the novels are being ignored, they're better off staying home. The EU isn't the backbone of the SW universe, the films are.
Abram's Trek takes place in a alternate timeline. Everything that happened still happened.
Where were you in '77?
Most of the EU is really bad, and frankly deserves to be wiped out.
However, I can never support these new films, because to my mind the Thrawn trilogy already told the story of episodes 7, 8, and 9.
My opinion of Abrams-Trek is that the casting is excellent, but that the movies are crap stories terribly told. I fully expect Abrams-SW to be more of the same.
I think you can ignore the 'big' things from the PT that alienated the fanbase, and still stay true to the 9 part story.
I expect the Skywalker grandchildren to ask Luke/Leia about their father and mother during the ST, so I don't see a problem with talking about that.
What I would have a problem is having Hayden Christenson be a force ghost throughout the trilogy and guide Luke and the Skywalker Grandkids the same way Alec Guiness did in the OT. That would be such a turn-off to so many fans (and would be a deal-breaker for me), that I think Abrams will stay away from shit like that. Now if Lucas was directing the ST, then I think there would be more PT-references as he always seems to find a few things to piss of the older fans.
I can only see half of it.
I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.
darklordoftech said:
Pot calling the kettle black again, I see*.
*I will exploit any opportunity to denigrate modern Simpsons, and will do so with extreme relish every time.
That last time i found the Simpsons relevant was when i was in Middle School.
That would be 1990-91
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
With the exception of the movie, The Simpsons doesn't cost you anything to watch though. And nobody is keeping the good years locked away in a vault. ;)
Am I the only one tickled pink that Frink's namesake is in that shot?
Where were you in '77?
I will admit even though i found a few episodes here and there amusing,i never really watched any full seasons after the early years.
In fact the only thing i really watched religiously was treehouse of horror specials and taped every one up til about 1995.
I also lost quite a few quarters on the arcade. But i never was a giant fan.
I did like the Mark Hamill episode though Mayored to the mob.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:
That last time i found the Simpsons relevant was when i was in Middle School.
That would be 1990-91
Another problem i have is Bart and Lisa are still kids twenty years and more later.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
^That's why I prefer to believe that pretty much each and every season takes place in it's own seperate universe.
skyjedi2005 said:
Another problem i have is Bart and Lisa are still kids twenty years and more later.
It really must be hard being you.
dear diary,
I will admit even though i found a few episodes here and there amusing,i never really watched any full seasons after the early years.
In fact the only thing i really watched religiously was treehouse of horror specials and taped every one up til about 1995.
I also lost quite a few quarters on the arcade. But i never was a giant fan.
I did like the Mark Hamill episode though Mayored to the mob.
What is the possibility on them using prequel cameos like how PJ used Cameos in the Hobbit films of actors from LOTR?
I would prefer they did not do so.
They don't have to make fan friendly references to the prequels when they are trying to get a new audience nor can they simply ignore half the films that exist.
I may be wrong and JJ may indeed ignore the prequels. But i doubt it from interviews i have read in the past Kasdan never struck me as much of a hater of those movies. He may have disagreed with some things from Return of The Jedi to the prequels but was never a basher or a hater and always praised Lucas.
Some things obviously won't make a return if they are smart. No reference to midi- clorians, no Sith rule of two, no prophecy. I do suspect that Sith and the Empire will be in the movies though.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
The cancellation of The Clone Wars as well as Lucas's sudden change of heart on a sequel trilogy make me wonder if Lucas decides that the prequels aren't canon after all.
In one of the articles that discussed the Luke's kids rumor, it said that Lucas and Arndt fought against it and Lucas relented because it was JJ's film.
I don't think Lucas is happy with the change at all. He spent years working on the prequels and the Clone Wars. He was essentially done with the OT and its characters in any way. It was only when he had to sell the company that he came up with something. And those ideas are now being thrown out by JJ and Kasdan and thats why Arndt left.
I don't think he had to sell the farm. Whether he's having regrets about it now is another matter entirely.
Where were you in '77?
Here's what I would like to see. I would like to see the characters talk about the clone wars and Anikan Skywalker as much as they want with the caveat that they refer to them in exactly the same way that they are referred to in Wars, Empire, and Jedi. I have zero problem if what they say doesn't match up with what was said in the PT as long as it matches what was said in the OT. As far as I'm concerned. Jedi came out in 83, and now, 33 years later, we are finally getting another Star Wars movie.
Yes, I believe that they can and should ignore the prequels.
Since there are people out there that apparently are fans of the prequels, I doubt they'd completely ignore them, but if I were JJ Abrams (which I'm not) I'd be very careful if/when/how/why any references to them are made.
I'm cautiously optimistic that they will respect the OT and not bring in any PT references that break wind in the face of the classics.
(What I'd REALLY like to see is a reboot of the prequels. Just start from scratch. They did it for Spider-Man already and it was only 5 years between Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man. It won't happen, but a man can dream...)
