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Blue for old Jedi, Red for Vader, Green for Luke was good visual story telling.

Star Wars needs to return to visual story telling.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

And btw in SWTOR a lot of Sith do not wear black, do not have pale skin, and actually some have purple and yellow lightsabres.

Well, that's nice. I just wish they were the rule rather than the exception.

If I think again, I might say that majority of the Sith in game do not wear black. I am not sure where you got this impression (I would assume from the there game trailers?).

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And title "Darth" is held only by the most powerful Sith...

It's still stupid.

I must say I like it. Well it wasn't established solely by SWTOR. The first time I saw it was in KOTOR but probably even KOTOR picked it from some earlier EU source as well.

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imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

And btw in SWTOR a lot of Sith do not wear black, do not have pale skin, and actually some have purple and yellow lightsabres.

Well, that's nice. I just wish they were the rule rather than the exception.

If I think again, I might say that majority of the Sith in game do not wear black. I am not sure where you got this impression (I would assume from the there game trailers?).

 I was referring to the modern EU in general.

 

DuracellEnergizer said:

And title "Darth" is held only by the most powerful Sith...

It's still stupid.

I must say I like it. Well it wasn't established solely by SWTOR. The first time I saw it was in KOTOR but probably even KOTOR picked it from some earlier EU source as well.

As far as I know, prior to KOTOR, the EU ran with the idea that the tradition of Sith using "Darth" as a title began when Darth Bane survived the extermination of the Sith at the Battle of Ruusan and started the Rule of Two; none of the Sith prior to him were ever to have used the title.

Frankly, they should have stuck with that idea; PT-styled Sith don't belong outside of the PT era.

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@Taxation without presentation....I like this quote.

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Clone Wars.

I hate that Boba Fett was no longer a mandalorian because Jango was revealed to not be one in the clone wars cartoon.  Never liked Jango but by extension Boba was no longer a Mando.  Extremely stupid.

Disliked the Return of Darth Maul.

Hated Maul's brother and insipidly stupid name Savage Oppress.

Anyways its all the same as i said before verbatim.  Lucas additions to the series were shit.  Just as his input into the force unleashed games was.

The stuff Lucas had no hand in was easily better than the prequels.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I hate how the EU has the creation of the Rule of Two and the apparent extinction of the Sith occur at the same time. Yoda knowing about the Rule of Two makes it clear that the Rule of Two existed long before the apparent extinction of the Sith.

I hate how some EU fans twist facts to support the EU. If you show them proof that the EU screwed up, they'll claim that it was actually the movies or the interviewee who screwed up.

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darklordoftech said:

I hate how some EU fans twist facts to support the EU. If you show them proof that the EU screwed up, they'll claim that it was actually the movies or the interviewee who screwed up.

I've, personally, never seen typical fans of the modern EU ever saying that the films -- especially the PT -- screwed up. Resorting to the tired, worn-out "from a certain point of view" mantra when the EU and films blatantly contradict one another is more their MO.

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The rule of two nowhere says there are not hidden Sith splinter groups according to the eu.  Simply that its Bane's line of successors.

Just as why cannot there be Jedi groups not governed or answerable to the council?

We are lead to believe there were limited Jedi and Palpatine somehow destroyed them all with Vader's help.

But in the Eu there are some groups who use the force who neither claim to be jedi or sith.

In reality in think there would be far more diversity and different denominations among Jedi and Sith as there are in and outside of orthodox  Christianity.

Using that reference because i am not well versed in if there are schisms or different tribes of belief in other religions.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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darklordoftech said:

I hate how some EU fans twist facts to support the EU. If you show them proof that the EU screwed up, they'll claim that it was actually the movies or the interviewee who screwed up.

 Well if the facts were established by PT I have no problem in twisting them.

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imperialscum said:

darklordoftech said:

I hate how some EU fans twist facts to support the EU. If you show them proof that the EU screwed up, they'll claim that it was actually the movies or the interviewee who screwed up.

 Well if the facts were established by PT I have no problem in twisting them.

 It happens with OT facts just as much as it happens with PT facts.

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I'm not fond of the way the Great Sith War was ultimately handled in the pages of the TOTJ storyline The Sith War.

Prior references to the war in other comics and books built the Sith War up to be this huge, galaxy-spanning war between the forces of light and darkness that spanned several years and brought the Jedi close to the brink of destruction. But when it was finally depicted, the war lasted all but under a year and consisted of a few battles in a few systems.

KJA was the writer, though, so it all makes sense; he's good at taking other peoples' ideas and sucking all the grandeur out of them.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

I'm not fond of the way the Great Sith War was ultimately handled in the pages of the TOTJ storyline The Sith War.

Prior references to the war in other comics and books built the Sith War up to be this huge, galaxy-spanning war between the forces of light and darkness that spanned several years and brought the Jedi close to the brink of destruction. But when it was finally depicted, the war lasted all but under a year and consisted of a few battles in a few systems.

KJA was the writer, though, so it all makes sense; he's good at taking other peoples' ideas and sucking all the grandeur out of them.

 Where was the Great Sith War talked about before "The Sith War"?

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darklordoftech said:

imperialscum said:

darklordoftech said:

I hate how some EU fans twist facts to support the EU. If you show them proof that the EU screwed up, they'll claim that it was actually the movies or the interviewee who screwed up.

 Well if the facts were established by PT I have no problem in twisting them.

 It happens with OT facts just as much as it happens with PT facts.

Well depends on what you perceive as OT "facts". Because I have a feeling that you think it is a fact that Palpatine was not a Sith just because it is never explicitly said he was.

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darklordoftech said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I'm not fond of the way the Great Sith War was ultimately handled in the pages of the TOTJ storyline The Sith War.

Prior references to the war in other comics and books built the Sith War up to be this huge, galaxy-spanning war between the forces of light and darkness that spanned several years and brought the Jedi close to the brink of destruction. But when it was finally depicted, the war lasted all but under a year and consisted of a few battles in a few systems.

KJA was the writer, though, so it all makes sense; he's good at taking other peoples' ideas and sucking all the grandeur out of them.

 Where was the Great Sith War talked about before "The Sith War"?

I think there are a few references to the war in the Jedi Academy Trilogy and Empire's End.

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Both written by KJA?

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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I hate how some EU fans are so indoctrinated in it that they flame anybody who suggests something that contradicts it.

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Sadly, I used to be like that (when I was about eleven to twelve). It's kind of annoying though. It's as if the EU is their Bible or something.

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xhonzi said:

Both written by KJA?

 But Empire's End was written by Tom Veitch.

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darklordoftech said:

I hate how some EU fans are so indoctrinated in it that they flame anybody who suggests something that contradicts it.

Well I don't flame anyone. I don't care what other people like or hate. I have my own "head-canon". Still sometimes I try to make a little advertisement for the things I like.

And I can hardly consider myself EU fan since I dislike all EU except for maybe 5-7 video games.

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RicOlie_2 said:

Sadly, I used to be like that (when I was about eleven to twelve). It's kind of annoying though. It's as if the EU is their Bible or something.

I'd say the EU is more like the Son of the Star Wars Trinity in their eyes (with the PT as the Father and the SE as the Holy Spirit, of course).

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DuracellEnergizer said:

xhonzi said:

Both written by KJA?

 But Empire's End was written by Tom Veitch.

Hmm... it seems you're right.  KJA started taking over all of Veitch's stuff around then... I wonder if he ghost wrote Empire's End.  It has that KJA smell all over it.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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skyjedi2005 said:

Clone Wars.

I hate that Boba Fett was no longer a mandalorian because Jango was revealed to not be one in the clone wars cartoon.  Never liked Jango but by extension Boba was no longer a Mando.  Extremely stupid.

Wat. This just isn't true. I'd remember something like that and been up in arms about it.

I hate that Boba takes his helmet off so much these days. Like I needed reminding that Lucas ruined the character in AOTC, thanks.

Also anything Karen Traviss has ever written under the Star Wars label. She ruined the awesome Republic Commando with her bad stories, and further ruined Boba Fett and the Mandalorians by turning them and the clones into the biggest group of Mary Sue shit to ever grace Star Wars.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Prior to the release of the PT, I had come to envision the Mandalorians as this formidable society of relentless warriors who were able to rival the Jedi even though they weren't primarily made up of Force-users. Unfortunately, the PT and the subsequent EU have spoiled that perception.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Prior to the release of the PT, I had come to envision the Mandalorians as this formidable society of relentless warriors who were able to rival the Jedi even though they weren't primarily made up of Force-users. Unfortunately, the PT and the subsequent EU have spoiled that perception.

Indeed. That's how they've always been in my mind, and they really managed to hold onto that for a long time in the EU... until the Dark Times. Until Traviss.

Her books are so bad. Boba Fett is literally crying to his daughter about what a bad father he was while the clones and Mandos are out being god's gift to the galaxy saving the Jedi Order during Order 66 singlehandedly and later chilling with Luke and Han and Leia and giving Jaina Solo the training she needs to kill her brother. Ugh. It's disgusting. Never has someone taken a larger dump on Star Wars since Lucas himself.

It's a hipster thing, I know, but Mandalorians weren't really talked about much until Traviss came along and made them into intergalactic gods who never did anything wrong and if they did, it was someone else's fault or part of some larger plan that made them look even cooler and smarter in the end.

I loved the Open Seasons comic personally. I thought it was great. Probably the very last good Mandalorian content we've had in a long time. I can only hope that the new canon changes will wipe out every trace of Traviss on the universe. I also hope that the rumour is true that kills lame PT Boba and takes his name and armour; perhaps a Jouneyman-Protector from Concord Dawn named Jaster... just as long as we can get back to OT Boba (no gimmicky female/other twist stuff, either) and I can stop having AOTC flashbacks when I think of him.

That'll really piss off a lot of Prequel-Loving Lucas-Apologists because they love Mary Sue Mandos and Boba Friendly.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Prior to the release of the PT, I had come to envision the Mandalorians as this formidable society of relentless warriors who were able to rival the Jedi even though they weren't primarily made up of Force-users. Unfortunately, the PT and the subsequent EU have spoiled that perception.

 

I had a similar concept of them. Warriors who relentlessly train to hone their skill and use advanced technology to offset the advantage a Force-user may have. That they'd look down on Jedi as archaic and generally see themselves in the vein of "the modern world" vs "tradition and mysticism" in theme, without having some very specific credo or culture.

Or, more plainly said, knight vs wizard.