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Ryan McAvoy said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Here's a question just for you to answer...

"Why did they build an (almost) complete set for the Tantive IV interior in ROTS, when they could have CGIed some or all of it?"

If you can give the correct answer you might understand what was so wrong at the heart of the PT (Hint: The reason wasn't because it looked better).

OBI-WAN37 said:

A good description on the (PT) movies overall would be "mind-blowingly fantastic films!"

 Anybody want to complete the sentence...

"The PT are mind-blowingly . . . . . . . films"

;-)

 "Fantastic". Strange that someone would post such an easy question.

 Touche!! You've have done well my young apprentice.

But any response to the Tantive IV question?

I can give you the answer if you don't know.

 I just said in the post directly above the one you just made, " I don't quite understand what the mystery-answer question you asked is even asking, but I'm curious, what do you think is the answer?"

 ^ It's this thing that happens in forums when two posts are written at the same time.

The answer to my question is they had to build the Tantive IV set for ROTS because C3PO was shiny.

The time and cost needed to CGI in the reflections on Threepio meant it was cheaper, and less bother to just knock up a cheap set (And it does look cheap and plasticy next to the 1977 original set). This answer is not my opinion but from the mouths of Lucas and McCallum on various ROTS behind-the-scenes features. This is also the reason why shots involving The Naboo Silver cruisers tended to be physical models and/or sets (Plus Padme's appartment in ROTS needed to be fully built to make Threepio cheaper to do). So again I say, if they could have done it cheaper and easier with something real they did, but if they could have done it all in CGI then it would be. This insistance of putting budget before quality-control lead to CGI R2 in ROTS being Matt instead of Gloss to save the money it would take to add the reflections.

It's a question whose answer speaks volumes about the mentality of the filmmakers on the PT. e.g. "Let's not build as much as we can because it looks better, lets build as little as we can to save time and money".

Side note:

TPM $160
AOTC $145
ROTS $134

^ PT's budget adjusted for inflation. As you can see they spent 15-20 million less on each film. They cut back on expensive sets, costumes, models etc as advances in CGI increased, allowing them to just cheat it in the computer.

So they used a practical/reasonable amount of models/sets/CGI given the expenses of it all in everything other than on the Tantive IV, and not only that, but disregarding that previous statement given the fact that it would be extremely hard and expensive to CGI in C-3PO's reflection on the walls of the ship (where has anyone ever seen CGI of that period that good?) they also used an appropriate amount on the Tantive IV?

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Bingowings said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Yoda: How feel you?

Anakin: Cold, sir.

Yoda: Afraid are you?

Anakin: No, sir.

Yoda: See through you we can.

Mace Windu: Be mindful of your feelings.

Ki-Adi-Mundi: Your thoughts dwell on your mother.

Anakin: I miss her.

Yoda: Afraid to lose her I think, hmm?

Anakin: What has that got to do with anything?

Yoda: Everything! Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.

I think that example of how the prequels have some awesome dialogue speaks for itself...

 What?

 What do you mean, "what"?

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Jaitea said:

Also, CG can look really, realy good, very realistic.....but it all depends how long the artist can spend perfecting the shot, look at the other films ILM were working on around the time of the Prequels,...the money coming in from those other projects must have pushed them up the priority list

J

 Just so.

The insistence of GL making every shot an FX shot (In some way or another) must have been a ridiculous workload for ILM. Also George reshooting half of each PT film at the last minute on greenscreen stages must have been a nightmare. You can see the stress and confusion in the faces of the crew in the documentaries.

In contrast, in the behind-the-scenes films on the LOTR trilogy (Shot at roughly the same time) the crew always look like they are having fun. Even if they have to work 3 days straight with no sleep to get the job done because they knew they were doing great work, they still have smiles at the end.

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OBI-WAN37 said:

Yoda: How feel you?

Anakin: Cold, sir.

Yoda: Afraid are you?

Anakin: No, sir.

Yoda: See through you we can.

Mace Windu: Be mindful of your feelings.

Ki-Adi-Mundi: Your thoughts dwell on your mother.

Anakin: I miss her.

Yoda: Afraid to lose her I think, hmm?

Anakin: What has that got to do with anything?

Yoda: Everything! Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.

I think that example of how the prequels have some awesome dialogue speaks for itself...

 Why does Yoda talk in an exaggerated backward talk (more so than in ESB)........except for the last line he says.....it's said normally?

Not good writing....maybe should have been "The path to the dark side, fear is.  To anger fear leads.  To hate anger leads.  To suffering hate leads.  Much fear in you I sense."

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DON'T YOU DARE TELL CPY HOW TO TALK!!!

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TV's Frink said:

DON'T YOU DARE TELL CPY HOW TO TALK!!!

 Why?

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OBI-WAN37 said:

Yoda: ...Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering...

Just because it sounds intelligent doesn't make it intelligent.  Can't suffering lead to fear, or hate lead to anger, or suffering lead to anger, or fear lead to suffering, etc.  Stringing together some independent clauses doesn't make the line coherent or intelligent.

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OBI-WAN37 said:

Queen Amidala: You're a slave?

Anakin: I'm a person and my name is Anakin.

More awesome dialogue from the Phantom Menace.

 Now you're just trolling.

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Humby said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Yoda: ...Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering...

Just because it sounds intelligent doesn't make it intelligent.  Can't suffering lead to fear, or hate lead to anger, or suffering lead to anger, or fear lead to suffering, etc.  Stringing together some independent clauses doesn't make the line coherent or intelligent.

It's fictional.

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OBI-WAN37 said:

TV's Frink said:

DON'T YOU DARE TELL CPY HOW TO TALK!!!

 Why?

 Because he's a complicated puppet, and no one understands him but his woman.

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OBI-WAN37 said:

Queen Amidala: You're a slave?

Anakin: I'm a person and my name is Anakin.

More awesome dialogue from the Phantom Menace.

 Are you putting those links in?.....

Why?

Do you think we don't know who they are?

J

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TV's Frink said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Queen Amidala: You're a slave?

Anakin: I'm a person and my name is Anakin.

More awesome dialogue from the Phantom Menace.

 Now you're just trolling.

 Could you explain to me why I can't talk back to CPY?

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OBI-WAN37 said:

Yoda: How feel you?

Anakin: Cold, sir.

Yoda: Afraid are you?

Anakin: No, sir.

Yoda: See through you we can.

Mace Windu: Be mindful of your feelings.

Ki-Adi-Mundi: Your thoughts dwell on your mother.

Anakin: I miss her.

Yoda: Afraid to lose her I think, hmm?

Anakin: What has that got to do with anything?

Yoda: Everything! Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.

I think that example of how the prequels have some awesome dialogue speaks for itself...

Yeah, riveting stuff.

Whoever wrote this dialogue with Yoda has no idea how Yoda actually talks, and instead based his speech pattern on a caricature. Kinda like what would happen if I were to make a biopic about Arnold Schwarzenegger and have the protagonist talk like "Yaaagh yaaagh fantastik! Mariaaahhh Get to da choppa!!!". It's a bad impression of Yoda.

All this guy can write is "it speaks for itself" and chants "fantastic movies", "awesome dialogue" and "terrific action" over and over again, like a broken record from the band "Too Rough Over Lonesome Louie".

This thread didn't deserve nor need reply one.

Also, still no comments about the "handsome demigod Christensen"?

 Those reviews are far too dark,

It's comedy. If you're fixated on the "dark" aspects, it's because you're too busy putting your fingers in your ears while the mad psychopath (it's a character!!) drones on and in the meanwhile he's making a perfectly sane analysis of these movies, ripping them apart and feasting on their rotten carcasses. So, really, the Plinkett character may be insane, but managed to make complete and utter sense, while there are other people around that insist on telling us they are sane and all that comes out of their mouth is fart noises.

and besides, whenever reviewers like that criticize the prequels, they never note anything positive about the films,

could it be because they can't find anything good in them???? the mind boggles.

and when they do, it's always along the lines of "sure, this was okay, but this was awful", when in truth the thing that was "okay" was actually awesome and the thing that was awful was actually just a small flaw.

To clarify, when you say "in truth", do you mean

  • "in your head"
  • "in cuckooland"

     or

  • all of the above?

For example a prequel-hater might say, "sure the action was okay, but the acting was awful", when in truth the action was fantastic and the acting wasn't bad enough to outweigh the other positive things

Same question as above.

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TV's Frink said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

TV's Frink said:

DON'T YOU DARE TELL CPY HOW TO TALK!!!

 Why?

 Because he's a complicated puppet, and no one understands him but his woman.

 I don't understand... puppet? Is there some SERIOUS reason that I should know about as to why I should show a certain level of respect for CPY?

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OBI-WAN37 said:

TV's Frink said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Queen Amidala: You're a slave?

Anakin: I'm a person and my name is Anakin.

More awesome dialogue from the Phantom Menace.

 Now you're just trolling.

 Could you explain to me why I can't talk back to CPY?

 Can you explain why you quoted one thing and responded to another?  Also, I already answered that one, but if you need more info, I'll just say that they say CPY is a bad motherf-

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TV's Frink said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Queen Amidala: You're a slave?

Anakin: I'm a person and my name is Anakin.

More awesome dialogue from the Phantom Menace.

 Now you're just trolling.

 You beat me to that sentiment* Ric.

That is one of the worst lines in TPM, and it doesn't help that Jake Lloyd delivers it so poorly.

(* "The perfume he meant to buy her" - Barry Cryer)

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Ryan McAvoy said:

TV's Frink said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Queen Amidala: You're a slave?

Anakin: I'm a person and my name is Anakin.

More awesome dialogue from the Phantom Menace.

 Now you're just trolling.

 You beat me to that sentiment* Ric.

That is one of the worst lines in TPM, and it doesn't help that Jake Lloyd delivers it so poorly.

(* "The perfume he meant to buy her" - Barry Cryer)

 Well I think that line was gold, but I guess now it just comes down to opinion. Would someone please close this topic?

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TV's Frink said:

...but if you need more info, I'll just say that they say CPY is a bad motherf-

 Shut yo mouth!

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OBI-WAN37 said:

Would someone please close this topic? thread?

 Fixed

J

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Jaitea said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Would someone please close this topic? thread?

 Fixed

J

 Thankyou. :)

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Leonardo said:

TV's Frink said:

...but if you need more info, I'll just say that they say CPY is a bad motherf-

 Shut yo mouth!

 But I'm talkin' about CPY...

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OBI-WAN37 said:

Jaitea said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Would someone please close this topic? thread?

 Fixed

J

 Thank you. :)

Fixed. 

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TV's Frink said:

Leonardo said:

TV's Frink said:

...but if you need more info, I'll just say that they say CPY is a bad motherf-

 Shut yo mouth!

 But I'm talkin' about CPY...

 Then we can dig it! :)

obw1thirtyseven sed:

Would someone please close this topic?

Why? It's going fine. Please tell us a couple more million times about how the prequels are awesome films because you say so.

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From the Phantom Menace:

C-3PO: I can assure you they will never get me onto one of those dreadful starships.

I love this!