OBI-WAN37 said:
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So is the OP gone for good? I find his brand of crazy rather entertaining.
He's headed back to the safety of TFN. Spending his time in....The prequel Trilogy forum where everything is awesome !
I just ventured back to TFN today just to see how crazy that place has gotten and I was banned on my first thread: "At what moment did you realize you didn't like the PT?"
I should have called it, "The Prequels are great, tell me why you love them!" And I guarantee it wouldnt have been locked.
For me, the exact moment it changed from a youth spent dreaming of how great the prequels were sure to be, then gripping the cinema seat arms in rapt excitement about what I was about to witness...
...changed to a sick feeling in my stomach at about 28 seconds into TPM when the Star Wars logo came up and it was the wrong shade of yellow. The first thing that gave me the worrying feeling that the quality control switch for the new films might not be in the 'on' postion.
btw While googling SW the tother day and I stumbled onto a TFN thread about how "People are stupid who think there is a lot of CGI in the PT and there is actually loads of physical models/props etc" (Or something along those lines). It was page after page of posted photos of actors/crew standing around on green/blue screen stages that happened to also feature some real element somewhere. The phrase "Grasping at straws" sprung to mind.
"Grasping at straws"? Seriously? On the first page you see tons of models. To quote my previous post "you can see a model AT-TE in the thread I linked, not to mention models of Mustafar, Naboo Royal Cruiser, a HUGE miniature city of Mois Eisley,the streets of Coruscant, that thing in the second picture down, the huge Geonosian arena, the corridors of the Jedi temple, the huts of the tusken raiders, the podracers, naboo, Kamino, the place where Anakin and Obi-Wan fought Count Dooku, the Trade Federation interior, life-size Anakin's podracer, some different costumes for the aliens on Mustafar, the Podracer stadium, the AAT, Feluccia, the hanger in the Invisible Hand, the Jedi Temple, a life-size Naboo Starfighter, C-3PO half-built, what seems to be half of a life-size podracer for Sebulba, several places where Anakin and Obi-Wan fought eachother, that place on Mustafar where Anakin murdered all those aliens, and if you check in the next link I give they actually used a lot of locations too, and this is probably only a fraction of the stuff they actually used."
Yeah the prequel trilogy had tons of models. And just as many locations as Episodes IV-VI as well, if you check the following link. Just look at how many locations were used for Episodes I-III compared to Episodes IV-VI; the amount is the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_filming_locations It even says here on the 11th block down on the list of locations if you read the description next to Mount Etna that they filmed a real volcano in Episode III for Mustafar, that stuff about the prequels using too much CGI is mostly false.
I've seen all the behind-the-scenes PT stuff just like everyone. I know how much was built and how much wasn't. If you mean page 1 of this thread...
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/
...I was saying that "Grasping at straws" would be like posting the following photos in support of your argument...
^ One model (Debatable if it was even used in the finished shots), other 99% of the shot to be CGIed in later.
^ CGI people and CGI Corusscant e.g. 60-70% of the frame CGIed in later.
^ Other 80% of Coruscant CGIed in later.
^ Tiny model built to woefully substitute a real (Expensive) set. Anakin and Padme to be CGIed in later along with a host of CGI creatures.
^ Other 70% of Coruscant CGIed in later.
^ Other 70% of shot CGIed in later.
^ Other 90% of shot CGIed in later (Plus a thousand CGI people).
^ I'm not even gonna comment.
^ Other 90% of shot and people to be CGIed in later.
^ Seriously you are cracking me up here.
^ Other 50% of the shot and CGI droids added later.
I could go on but like I said "Clutching at straws".
btw in that same page these two photos are posted as "evidence" that the OT was no different...
^ Universally derided as the worst shot in ROTJ. It sticks out like a sore thumb and only damages your argument. I'm one of ROTJ's biggest fans over here but I can admit that shot stank and would have been better had it not been cheated on a Bluescreen. Clearly Lucas with eyesight decaying thought this was the way of the future.
^ Real people, sitting on a real prop, optically composited over real footage, so no, not really comparible. Besides, there was literally no other way this could be achieved at the time and since the sequence runs at about a gazillion miles an hour nobody notices any flaws (Not me anyway). But you'd have to be insane to use the same technique to film slow shots that could easily be achieved with practicle photography... oh wait GL did on the PT in almost every shot.
Here is a little example...
^ ESB. Everything is real, real people, real ships, real props on location. Looks f*ckin' stunning!
^ ESB. Matte painting done later of the same base (The 80s equivalant of CGI). Looks 1000 times less convincing, which is why Adywan has reshot this one.
Fortunately every oportunity was taken in the OT to shoot it live, in camera and 100% for real (So that last shot is a rare exception). The exact oposit was true for the PT. If it could be CGIed in for less money than it cost to build it... it was.