timdiggerm said:
I do hope you're right and that the Chewie stuff gets removed.
Agreed.
timdiggerm said:
I do hope you're right and that the Chewie stuff gets removed.
What is Ady's intention on this matter, anyway? Re-colored fur and makeup design? Or complete extraction from the film?
Way too early to know that yet (if he even plans to do ANYTHING about Chewie). He's fully focused on ESB:R right now and not thinking that far ahead I'd warrant.
When I was a kid I imagined that Han's idealised older brother was a Jedi killed in the Clone Wars leaving Han to be raised by Chewie.
He seemed very dismissive of the power of the Force and the chances of the Rebels, beyond natural skepticism and I pictured it came from some Freudian trauma.
It's an important part of Han's arc that he reconnects with others.
I probably would have found a Han mention in the PT a further contraction of the scale of the Star Wars universe but it's less daft than Leia being Luke's sister let alone Threepio being Leia's brother.
nightstalkerpoet said:
Should we see young Han in PT:R?
He was already in the PT, sort of. The Lego Star Wars special at least.
Bingowings said:
When I was a kid I imagined that Han's idealised older brother was a Jedi killed in the Clone Wars leaving Han to be raised by Chewie.
He seemed very dismissive of the power of the Force and the chances of the Rebels, beyond natural skepticism and I pictured it came from some Freudian trauma.
I got the impression that his attitude is sort of the norm at that point (ANH). There are repeated references to adherents to "the Force" being out of step.
The lower tier bad guys seem to have that attitude (Jabba, Motti etc) but the good guys seem to be true believers.
Definitely; I just got the idea the good guys were in the minority on that count
ROTJ:R Question: Has Ady considered putting Jabba's palace on a different planet?
The following post gave me this idea: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/something-I-always-wondered-about-the-PT/post/686800/#TopicPost686800
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AntcuFaalb said:
ROTJ:R Question: Has Ady considered putting Jabba's palace on a different planet?
The following post gave me this idea: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/something-I-always-wondered-about-the-PT/post/686800/#TopicPost686800
You took the words out of my hands.
Although there is the problem of Lando's line at the end of ESB about the rendevouz point on....Tatooine.
Maybe they are just stobbing off there for some Panaka Cakes.
timdiggerm said:
AntcuFaalb said:
ROTJ:R Question: Has Ady considered putting Jabba's palace on a different planet?
The following post gave me this idea: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/something-I-always-wondered-about-the-PT/post/686800/#TopicPost686800
You took the words out of my hands.
Although there is the problem of Lando's line at the end of ESB about the rendevouz point on....Tatooine.
Now you have Meat Loaf stuck in my head. Yes, Meat Loaf himself and all of his songs... at once!
I'm sure that's something Ady could rework for ESB:R if he likes this idea enough.
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I always wondered if Jabba could have been a separatist leader on Geonosis. After their defeat in the PT, he would descend into becoming a gangster.
Tatooine is never mentioned by name in ANH, so there is no reason why it has to be the same world that Luke grew up on.
It would be cool to have Jabba's Palace located on some kind of mining colony.
I think it would stir-up ideas in the minds of the audience about Jabba somehow exploiting the local workforce; tying-in with the whole "slave thing" he has going on already.
It could also suggest that the miners discovered the Sarlacc and just abandoned working near it after losing too many men.
His palace can be next to a huge quarry. C-3PO and R2-D2 can enter via a semi-hidden underground entrance located within the quarry.
This would require redoing all of the backgrounds, of course, but I think Ady is skilled enough to make it work. Thankfully, most of the shots for this part of the movie are indoors.
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timdiggerm said:
AntcuFaalb said:
ROTJ:R Question: Has Ady considered putting Jabba's palace on a different planet?
The following post gave me this idea: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/something-I-always-wondered-about-the-PT/post/686800/#TopicPost686800
You took the words out of my hands.
Although there is the problem of Lando's line at the end of ESB about the rendevouz point on....Tatooine.
The name alone wouldn't matter as the name "Tatooine" is never said in ANH (as far as I know). The only reason anyone would know the name of the planet, pre ROTJ at least, would've been reading it somewhere (like how everyone knows the word ewok despite it never being said by anyone).
Making "Tatooine" an entirely new planet is a great idea. I hate how the canonical Tatooine became so overemphasised come the prequels as some sort of central location for everything of galactic and spiritual importance to occur on. Just like how Anakin was overemphasised as the chosen one - and why did he have to be from Tatooine too? As someone said, George wanted to reuse existing ideas and familar stuff, so as a result he shrunk the universe. Part of the charm of ANH was that this backwater dust planet was so insignificant in current events that we never even learnt its name. Maybe it didn't even HAVE a name.
In terms of executing this idea, the only clear acknowledgement that the desert planet in ROTJ is the same desert planet as in ANH is Luke saying to Han he used to live there, and Han replying that he's going to die there. This could be edited out somehow.
brash_stryker said:
timdiggerm said:
AntcuFaalb said:
ROTJ:R Question: Has Ady considered putting Jabba's palace on a different planet?
The following post gave me this idea: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/something-I-always-wondered-about-the-PT/post/686800/#TopicPost686800
You took the words out of my hands.
Although there is the problem of Lando's line at the end of ESB about the rendevouz point on....Tatooine.
The name alone wouldn't matter as the name "Tatooine" is never said in ANH (as far as I know). The only reason anyone would know the name of the planet, pre ROTJ at least, would've been reading it somewhere (like how everyone knows the word ewok despite it never being said by anyone).
Making "Tatooine" an entirely new planet is a great idea. I hate how the canonical Tatooine became so overemphasised come the prequels as some sort of central location for everything of galactic and spiritual importance to occur on. Just like how Anakin was overemphasised as the chosen one - and why did he have to be from Tatooine too? As someone said, George wanted to reuse existing ideas and familar stuff, so as a result he shrunk the universe. Part of the charm of ANH was that this backwater dust planet was so insignificant in current events that we never even learnt its name. Maybe it didn't even HAVE a name.
In terms of executing this idea, the only clear acknowledgement that the desert planet in ROTJ is the same desert planet as in ANH is Luke saying to Han he used to live there, and Han replying that he's going to die there. This could be edited out somehow.
I would be interested in seeing how that could play out.
However, I actually like that line in ROTJ. =) But sacrifices must be made for the greater good.
Inspired by this here, I had the crazy notion last night of approaching Mr Prowse to film the death scene from Return of the Jedi and have it as an alternative track to Seb Shaw.
Rough Mock-Up Time :
I have nothing against Mr Shaw's performance, he was the best person to play a character called Anakin Skywalker in any medium but like Chewie getting a medal it would be an interesting what if moment made real.
A donation to one of Mr P's many charitable courses would probably satisfy him in terms of payment and keep the project non-profit. He is old enough to play the aged aspect now and could be beyond caring what Mr Walt Lucas has to say on being an unpaid extra on an extra in a non-profit fan-edit.
He might not need the full make up as capturing his facial elements could be enough and I think he could do another voice if asked.
Remember on set he was asked to deliver his lines not act them in another accent.
I seem to remember hearing that he never got paid for rotj
Another "what if" realisation would be to take Gary Oldman's lines from Lost In Space, give them a shake and put them in General Grievous' mouth (does he have a mouth?)
This is an old one, but in regards to the first pages subject of Yoda in the Prequels.. would it be possible to do Yoda akin to the Wizard in THE WIZARD OF OZ, to the degree that you never see him as the tiny muppet, but only as an imposing hologram (maybe this is where Palpatine gets his idea of communication from)? Maybe through bit players added in, it could be suggested that not only is Yoda never seen, but no one knows where he lives... that those Jedi who reach the level high enough to be trained by hm are given the "hood over the head and thrown in the car trunk" treatment, so when they come to they don't know they're on Dagobah.*
* Yes, Obi tells Luke to go to the Dagobah system in EMPIRE, but the procedures the Jedi had would have been long gone, and things being what they were, I don't think Ben had the time to beat around the bush anymore.
In regards to Tattooine in JEDI, there is nothing saying that Jabba isn't located on a different part of the planet that ISN'T a desert.. we ARE talking about an entire planet.
Same thing with the prequels. You can either call it something else other than Tattooine, or use CG and other methods to create greens and different colors (as well as other alterations to the basic and background scenery) to differentiate it with what we see in ANH.
I would consider getting rid of Jabba's scene in TPM (as in: he's not on Tattooine yet) and insert him on Geonosis, per the idea above that the events in the prequels led him to becoming a thief and a scoundrel.
I like the idea of using Prowse for the unveiled Vader scenes. His voice would have to be altered to a lower pitch (to account for Jones' voice coming out the mask), but otherwise would be a nice way of acknowledging the man who wore the suit in all 3 OT films.
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muddyknees2000 said:
brash_stryker said:
You both seem to want to insert them to unify the two trilogies (I'm guessing?). I'd rather do it the other way around. There's nothing even vaguely interesting about them.
Tarkin all the way.
Would it be conceivable to take scenes from some of the Hammer blu-rays of Peter Cushing in his slightly younger years and use some of those shots to put a younger Tarkin into the PTs? Maybe show Tarkin having a few speaking lines via a viewscreen? *
* If not as a re-occuring character, then at least to over-impose over top the "Scorpius" actor who still looks nothing like Peter Cushing in ROTS.
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good ole' double post.
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FVDnz said:
I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of Luke's X-Wing entering Tattoine's orbit and landing near Ben's Hut or something like that.
Neither would I. In fact, I think JEDI needs a few more scenes of spaceships landing and taking off.
adywan said:
kristarwars said:
They've done it like a million times from way back in the days of The Crow and up through Tron: Legacy: taking a current star (or actor/stunt double/etc.) and superimposing another (and sometimes younger) face on them. Even Episode I had Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson's faces superimposed over their stunt doubles for a couple of shots. I'm sorry, but they can totally do it.
being able to do it and being able to do it convincingly are two completely different things. The Crow was just a few brief straight on shots. All the head replacements/ digital doubles in the prequels looked terrible. The Jeff Bridges digital younger self still suffered with the "uncanny valley" problem that plagues CG human creations. They still can't do it convincingly to this day.
True, but in T:L they really just needed to either take scenes of Jeff from earlier movies and CG the background, or find a lookalike and dub over him with Bridges. The basic gist of what Kristarwars speaks of "can" be done, but only judiciously and with a lot of thought, planning and skill. Even then, you can't film entire scenes with extended dialogue short of lookalikes or time machines.
Even so, is there really a need to do all of that extra "molesting Leia" stuff, short of doing a Hentai or whatever? Isn't the point kind of made just by showing her in the golden bikini?
But (and that's a big, fat but).. if you HAVE to do it, why not just keep it to CGing some slime on her face constantly dripping off from where Jabba uses her like a lollipop? What? Too much?
Or you can print off a bunch of those "Leia molested by Gamorrean Guards" pics, hand them out to the audience and right when the camera cuts to Leia in the slave outfit for the first time, the movie pauses and an ole timey silent movie-ish title pops up that says "open your packet now and see the horrors of the life of a slave girl".
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
The Empire thread has been full of Ewoks lately -
What if the Ewoks we see are only the young/teens?
Could Ady add in beastly, 7 ft tall, full grown ewoks? Create a few costumes similar to the Wampa for it, film them, and drop them into the scenes that are already there. Maybe add a couple shots of them clobbering troopers.
Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000
Monroville said:
This is an old one, but in regards to the first pages subject of Yoda in the Prequels.. would it be possible to do Yoda akin to the Wizard in THE WIZARD OF OZ, to the degree that you never see him as the tiny muppet, but only as an imposing hologram (maybe this is where Palpatine gets his idea of communication from)? Maybe through bit players added in, it could be suggested that not only is Yoda never seen, but no one knows where he lives... that those Jedi who reach the level high enough to be trained by hm are given the "hood over the head and thrown in the car trunk" treatment, so when they come to they don't know they're on Dagobah.*
* Yes, Obi tells Luke to go to the Dagobah system in EMPIRE, but the procedures the Jedi had would have been long gone, and things being what they were, I don't think Ben had the time to beat around the bush anymore.
In regards to Tattooine in JEDI, there is nothing saying that Jabba isn't located on a different part of the planet that ISN'T a desert.. we ARE talking about an entire planet.
Same thing with the prequels. You can either call it something else other than Tattooine, or use CG and other methods to create greens and different colors (as well as other alterations to the basic and background scenery) to differentiate it with what we see in ANH.
I would consider getting rid of Jabba's scene in TPM (as in: he's not on Tattooine yet) and insert him on Geonosis, per the idea above that the events in the prequels led him to becoming a thief and a scoundrel.
I like the idea of using Prowse for the unveiled Vader scenes. His voice would have to be altered to a lower pitch (to account for Jones' voice coming out the mask), but otherwise would be a nice way of acknowledging the man who wore the suit in all 3 OT films.
The wizard of Oz Yoda hologram idea is EXACTLY what i've proposed previously in this thread and the Prequel Radical Redux thread. :) I think it's a must, personally, though Ady has previously stated he believes Yoda's identity was never intended to be a surprise for the audience, only to Luke. Personally I think it WOULD have been a surprise (and should have) had it not been for all the promo material around featuring him, prior to release. I'm still hoping Ady seriously considers this treatment of Yoda in his edits.