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Idea: HD restoration of the Phantom Edits.. — Page 3

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If I did it it wouldn't include any of the rotoscoping or video changes, it would just be the phantom 'cut'.  And I don't think the phantom edit would be worth doing, because as others have pointed out the audio has clicks and pops at cut points, and if I was going to redo the audio track I may as well just do it from scratch and make my own cut.  (not that that's ruled out or anything)

What would REALLY be interesting is an HD version of slumberlands cut I think.  But there are a couple audio cuts there too.

But what I may be doing is an HD restoration of the 'cut' of attack of the phantom.  It's audio track is flawless so I would just sync HD video to the old audio.

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These Phantom Edits would also be a lot better if he didn't add his own freakin crawls to the films. It would have been okay to add them before the Fox fanfare, with music of his own, but not a part of the actual film itself. I don't know what the hell he was thinking when he did that. In fact, since he did a good job of creating his own crawls from scratch, he probably could have improved the wording of the originals a bit.

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Funny that the guy who did these is a professional editor.

His imdb listing has him as the colorist and editor of star trek blu ray special features for enterprise and star trek the next generation.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Wonder why he never took on ROTS…

Maybe he thought it was beyond saving?

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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Maybe his identity was just so widely known by then he didn't feel like it would be a "phantom" edit anymore.

So anyways.  The phantom edit I won't be doing.  But attack of the phantom I will recreate the "cut" of the edit, synced to the AOTP original audio track from a blu ray source.  It will NOT include the phantom edit crawl, the crawl will be the original crawl.  Visual tweaks/fx shots he pulled will not be recreated, simply because I lack the skill.

I will possibly do my own edits of the phantom menace and revenge of the sith, but they will be unrelated, since obviously this won't really be my work, rather a recreation of somebody else's.

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So anyways.  The phantom edit I won't be doing.  But attack of the phantom I will recreate the "cut" of the edit, synced to the AOTP original audio track from a blu ray source.  It will NOT include the phantom edit crawl, the crawl will be the original crawl.  Visual tweaks/fx shots he pulled will not be recreated, simply because I lack the skill.

 I really look forward to this. That cut, more than any other, turned a movie I loathed the first time I saw it into something I can kinda enjoy. 

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TheBoost said:

Possessed said:



So anyways.  The phantom edit I won't be doing.  But attack of the phantom I will recreate the "cut" of the edit, synced to the AOTP original audio track from a blu ray source.  It will NOT include the phantom edit crawl, the crawl will be the original crawl.  Visual tweaks/fx shots he pulled will not be recreated, simply because I lack the skill.

 I really look forward to this. That cut, more than any other, turned a movie I loathed the first time I saw it into something I can kinda enjoy. 

 It's also going to be interesting seeing it in HD after the horrible sub-DVD picture quality that the original edit had.  But yeah, for a while there I thought it was one of the best fanedits I had ever seen.

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I still think it's the best fanedit, because even though there are others that technically did 'fix more problems', this is the only one that to me, feels like a film, and not like a mashup.

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Possessed said:

I still think it's the best fanedit, because even though there are others that technically did 'fix more problems', this is the only one that to me, feels like a film, and not like a mashup.

 I love his commentary. Without coming across as dismissive of other excellent fan edits, Phantom Editor wanted to make a better version of George Lucas's movie, not the version he personally wanted. 

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Think I'll wait for Emans filmized versions to come out before doing this.  Cuz if I don't and I go ahead and do it with the current video game (joke) versions, I'll be kicking myself, hard, in the groin, later.

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TheBoost said:

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I still think it's the best fanedit, because even though there are others that technically did 'fix more problems', this is the only one that to me, feels like a film, and not like a mashup.

 I love his commentary. Without coming across as dismissive of other excellent fan edits, Phantom Editor wanted to make a better version of George Lucas's movie, not the version he personally wanted. 

This is precisely why I like the Phantom Edit the best. It improves without trying to reinvent. Every subsequent cut I've seen is too contrived for me to just watch. I've always said, the bit where Jar Jar getting zapped in the face sums up what is great about the Phantom Edit. It's still there, but he cuts away before it becomes grating.

Anyway, a HD version would clearly involve starting from scratch, but I would still like to see it done. The only change I'd like to see is replacing the phantom crawl, which in this day and age is pretty redundant.

I'd do it myself, but I don't know how, and I don't have the hardware capacity at any rate.

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The starting from scratch issue and which versions and which crawls will be used have all been covered multiple times in this thread

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On second thought I think I will go ahead and start on it.  I'll just keep my project files around and when emansfans version comes out I'll just replace the source file with his version and make a V2

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The starting from scratch issue and which versions and which crawls will be used have all been covered multiple times in this thread

I know what's in the thread. I was stating that though I appreciate it would require starting from scratch, I'd still like to see it happen.

Similarly, I was stating my preference as far as the crawl goes. My understanding is both thoughts are academic, since no-one was endeavoring to actually create the cut anymore.

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Cantina Scene said:

I know what's in the thread....

No one was endeavoring to create this cut

Interesting

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Possessed said:

Cantina Scene said:

I know what's in the thread....

No one was endeavoring to create this cut

Interesting

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 The phantom edit I won't be doing.  

 

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Fair enough.  I thought you meant that for both films though, because I am doing attack of the phantom.  I see now I misunderstood you, because everything you said makes more sense to me now when applied only to the phantom edit.  My apologies

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Indeed, thanks for the support.  I will do attack of the phantom with video sourced straight from blue ray, then when emansfans filmized versions come out it will get a v2 to accommodate the (sure to be) superior version.

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What do you think of using the HDTV version instead of the Blu Ray? (Like using WookieGroomer's excellent version)  The Blu Ray has that awful green tint throughout but the HDTV doesn't. 

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Hmm, perhaps but the bluray has overall better quality even with the tint, seems like it would be more productive to just remove the tint.  And like I said, once Emansfans version with complete color correction and film grain and some of the cg manipulated to look more like models (if you aren't following his thread, you should be) it will be the version I make a V2 with.

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Hmm, perhaps but the bluray has overall better quality even with the tint, seems like it would be more productive to just remove the tint.  And like I said, once Emansfans version with complete color correction and film grain and some of the cg manipulated to look more like models (if you aren't following his thread, you should be) it will be the version I make a V2 with.

 It would be great if you removed the tint.  I think for me it really is bothersome because I was so used to the pre-BD color timing.

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Avisynth histograms may be able to take care of this...

but let's not pretend the pre BD had excellent colors either :P In fact that gives me an idea... I wonder what it would look like if I were to apply a histogram to the blue ray video to try to get it to match a histogram of the original star wars trilogy GOUT?  Hmmm.  I'd obviously have to bump the saturation back up a bit if I did that since the gout is a little washed out, but the color that's left is far more natural.

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I know this is a can of worms if you start considering changes BUT wrt Attack of the Phantom, I always felt like it was a terrible shame he cut the asteroid chase. I get it - it doesn't move the story forward, yadda yadda. Imho the cut is so short, it can sustain a little needless action that actually is pretty cool and has one of the all-time great sounds of cinema history. Seriously, the "seismic bomb" is the cat's pajamas. 

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Hmm... I'm torn on that one.  I agree, I like it too, I would want it kept.  The only problem is, this was supposed to be a preservation of the attack of the phantom cut.  If I change that, it becomes my own edit.  Except that it's not my own edit, because 99% of it will be the phantom cut.  What an issue...