The Audio Preservation Thread — Page 5

Anybody know where I can get the original sound mix for Die Hard?

captainsolo said:

Also been mad busy with a new job. Nice to see this thread still going along.

I'm curious about those analog tracks from the Uni Monster VHS tapes, as I've long wanted to do a comparison between LD, VHS and the 99 DVDs.  Also the Discovision releases are supposed to use nitrate materials and different audio sources.

ROTLA was confirmed to use the original 70mm 6 track audio as the basis of the DVD 5.1, but nothing was ever said about TOD or LC. However, in comparing these they all lose something in the remix, LC comes across as the least different, as it was the least aggressive.

The biggest loss is in the mixing which as we have said is extremely aggressive on TOD, but is also interestingly open sounding on LC. (Something to do with the "designed in a THX theater" credit perhaps?) Most notable is the sound panning across channels in ROTLA and TOD which is gone in the remix.

 Well I'd like to do a preservation of Frankenstein/Dracula from every source since every video format seems to have slightly different audio. Love to get the disco vision soundtracks also. Captain solo are the LDs any different then the 99s or the high def?

I will pull TOD's DVD 5.1 and see if the surrounds are mono. If I recall from other  threads here at OT only Crusade has stereo/split surrounds. If they are mono then it is a safe bet that it was mastered from the 70mm.

IcePrick said:

Anybody know where I can get the original sound mix for Die Hard?

 Which mix are you talking about: the 35mm mix or the 70mm mix? Both are on laserdisc. The first widescreen LD has the Dolby Stereo 35mm mix and the first widescreen AC3 disc has the 5.1 70mm mix with mono surrounds. I have both but only the Dolby Stereo/Surround capture at the moment not the AC3.

Does the BD of Die Hard use the 70mm mix or is it a remix?

Pretty sure the Die Hard Blu-ray is a remix for the 5.1 and the surrounds are now stereo but I will pull the soundtrack off tonight and check. The Blu-ray also has a 2.0 AC3 which is most likely the Dolby Stereo.

I'm going to pull Temple also and see if the DVD has mono surrounds.

I saw a theatrical screening of Die Hard a couple of days ago (digital, not film), and when I sampled the BD afterwards, the sound mix on the BD, to me, sounded different from the sound mix I heard in the theater. That's why I'm interested in comparing the 70mm mix (or the 35mm mix) to the BD mix.

PDB said:

Pretty sure the Die Hard Blu-ray is a remix for the 5.1 and the surrounds are now stereo but I will pull the soundtrack off tonight and check. The Blu-ray also has a 2.0 AC3 which is most likely the Dolby Stereo.

I'm going to pull Temple also and see if the DVD has mono surrounds.

 Unfortunately my UK BD of Die Hard does not include the stereo track :(

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

@PDB, about Indiana Jones trilogy soundtrack captures: are they bit-perfect, and perfectly in sync with the Blu-ray versions? I ask because when I worked with Halloween, even if video from laserdisc was frame-by-frame identical to Blu-ray, audio was not... I had to work hard to reach near-perfection sync (read: around ±8.5ms, half ntsc field)... so, if you did all the hard work, I'd like to profit about it and use them for my next Indiana Jones trilogy project... (^^,) if you agree, of course!

Sure anything I can do to help in one of your projects Andrea. The soundtracks are bit perfect and as for in sync, I believe they are. I'm OCD (read: obsessive) and if I recall Temple took 120 edits to get in sync and Raiders took 100.  I spent a long time trying to get it as perfect as possible (Which it never can be). If you want i can send both the synced and unsynced soundtracks and you can decide.

IcePrick said:

I saw a theatrical screening of Die Hard a couple of days ago (digital, not film), and when I sampled the BD afterwards, the sound mix on the BD, to me, sounded different from the sound mix I heard in the theater. That's why I'm interested in comparing the 70mm mix (or the 35mm mix) to the BD mix.

 let me see what I can do about that .

Ok, so I pulled all the soundtracks from Raiders' DVD and BD and Temple's DVD and BD.

Here are the rear surrounds for Raiders DVD then BD:

Looking at the DVD the rear surrounds are almost mono (slight variations, maybe from the mixing) which wound be in keeping with the original 70mm mix having mono surrounds. Surprisingly the Blu-ray also looks mono but remixed, probably for more impact.

Here are the rear surrounds for Temple's DVD then BD:

So it looks like Temple's DVD and Blu-ray soundtracks are the same, at least for the rears. Again I don't know if this is from the original 70mm mix but it looks like the rears are mono also fro what its worth.

And last here is Die Hard on Blu-ray:

which surprisingly looks mono also similar to the 70mm. I will have to try to capture the LD to compare.

you can add the following titles

hard boiled, the killer, bullet in the head

german pcm mono mix

source: german uncut laserdiscs

input: 16-bit, 44.1khz, bit perfect, pcm

output: 16-bit, 44.1khz, flac

not synced, video captured as well for easier syncing
also includes english pcm on hard boiled and cantonese pcm on bullet in the head

Are the tracks in this thread available for download somewhere? There's quite a few I'd like to check out. Some I already have on LD already, but the synching can be quite a pain.

captainsolo said:

On Die Hard, it's mainly guess work. The 1st LD had the presumable 35mm Dolby Stereo mix with different effects and overall different general mixing. This is the same track that is on the THX LD as the digital track and the ac3 2.0 found on the later DVDs. (The first one was a direct LD port, and the later SE 5 star ones are just reworking of those same transfers. I'm pretty sure the 1st and 2nd film BDs also use this same general master, but heavily modified again)

But as far as if the original untouched 70mm version was released, who knows. Presumably the LD 5.1 in both Dolby and DTS versions is this, as would be the DVD iterations as they used the exact same tracks and video masters.

Back from Christmas vacation. Yeah I was on the LDDB and saw this from Disclord which agrees with you:

"BTW, the 70mm 6-track mix for Die Hard was done after the initial 35mm release - Fox wasn't sure of Bruce Willis' box office draw so no 70 prints were made until the first box office results started coming in. It's a beefed up mix compared to the original Dolby Stereo, with different sounds here and there, more aggressive panning to take advantage of the discrete tracks, etc. Grease was the same, with 'late' 70mm prints and a different mix".

I have this laserdisc:

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/10657/1666-80/Die-Hard-(1988)

I'm wondering if it had the old 35mm mix.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Movie: Escape from New York - German soundtrack

Format: PAL german laserdisc [L1269]

Input Soundtrack: PCM 44.1 kHz 16-bit, bit perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 48 kHz 16-bit

Synced To: 2010 Blu-ray Release Region A [link]

Ripped/Synced by: anonymous

Notes: FLAC lossless compressed

For my project, I decided to convert it to AC3 to be in line with the other foreign soundtracks, so I put it online to be downloaded from whom it may concern...

Download links: part1 part2

 Added, thanks, Andrea

zeropc said:

you can add the following titles

hard boiled, the killer, bullet in the head

german pcm mono mix

source: german uncut laserdiscs

input: 16-bit, 44.1khz, bit perfect, pcm

output: 16-bit, 44.1khz, flac

not synced, video captured as well for easier syncing
also includes english pcm on hard boiled and cantonese pcm on bullet in the head

 Are the English tracks unsynced like the German, zero?

Buster D said:

Are the tracks in this thread available for download somewhere? There's quite a few I'd like to check out. Some I already have on LD already, but the synching can be quite a pain.

 No not available but if you ask the person who synced the track, they maybe able to help you Buster

PDB said:

zeropc said:

you can add the following titles

hard boiled, the killer, bullet in the head

german pcm mono mix

source: german uncut laserdiscs

input: 16-bit, 44.1khz, bit perfect, pcm

output: 16-bit, 44.1khz, flac

not synced, video captured as well for easier syncing
also includes english pcm on hard boiled and cantonese pcm on bullet in the head

 Are the English tracks unsynced like the German, zero?

 yep. it's a pure preservation, for possible future use.

PDB said:

Buster D said:

Are the tracks in this thread available for download somewhere? There's quite a few I'd like to check out. Some I already have on LD already, but the synching can be quite a pain.

 No not available but if you ask the person who synced the track, they maybe able to help you Buster

 Thank you for the reply.  I also sent you a PM.  Hopefully I can be of help as well.

I realize that this thread hasn't been active for 4 months but I have a question about the mono Australian mix for Mad Max. So there is no lossless copy of the mono track floating around, I get that, but how bad is the lossy audio? secondly, would it be better to rip the audio from this: http://www.amazon.com/Version-Features-Original-Australian-Dialogue/dp/B000057CWS

It states that it's a PAL transfer VHS tape (has the PAL speed up and is the UK widescreen edition) but contains the original Australian audio. So my question is: would a proper transfer of the audio (in lossless PCM) from the VHS tape be better than the lossy version on DVD & BD? I realize that with tapes, audio doesn't always stay in perfect sync when aligning with a digital video source but my question still stands...

Hope I'm not wasting anyone's time by asking this question...

Peace, Jerry

Does any one have Creepshow 2 on Laserdisc? I would love to have the audio from it

Well as long as it's better then the dvd audio that it.

From the wanted list in post 2, I have these laserdiscs, and should be able to capture the PCM audio bit-perfectly.:

Apocalypse Now

Army Of Darkness

Blade Runner (dir cut, CAV)

Jaws (not sure of the version)

Die Hard 2 (and 1 and 3 if needed)

Terminator 2

Movies I want the LD (or even VHS HiFi) soundtracks from:

Return Of The Living Dead (plus 2 and 3)

The Junkman (all the music was replaced on the DVD version)