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I don't know. I'm not too keen chopping bits out that don't fit without doing something to try to fix it - I may use the original score to fill in gaps or a different, period recording but I don't know. Like you say - this would be a lot easier with a bootleg...  :)

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ww12345 said:

Here's a few updates. The pastoral ... 2/5 portion, with the '41 mix in the L channel and the '82 mix in the R channel, so people can see where I am.

Great updates! I was particularly intrigued by the left/right channel as an audio before/after (or 1941mix/1982mix).

As if you don't have enough to do already ... :) ... perhaps you might consider making that an alternative audio (with each as mono so the full orchestration comes through on each channel) for the final release. If so, you can then automatically link alternative subtitles for left/right channel info on screen (noting things like "in sync" or "missing part" or whatever is happening with each music track -- left & right positioned) with the audio menu choice (otherwise, those subtitles must be independently menu-selected).

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That would be kind of cool...

I'll definitely try to do that. I'll need some help when I get to that point, though - don't author DVDs too often...

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I might be able to do it. I use Sony Dvd Architect for my own projects, so...

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monks19 said:

I might be able to do it. I use Sony Dvd Architect for my own projects, so...

 

I'll keep you posted!

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I really just started following your project here, and I'm glad you're taking it on... You should probably update your first post with more technical details.

Btw, reading your first post, if it hasn't been pointed out, there is no need to decompress to avi or to even re-encode the video.

I kind of wish you would restore Pastoral.  Frankly, I more opposed to the nudity removal than anything else.  I recall someone having an iOffer thing going with a DVD cap of the VHS (IIRC).

Anyway, regarding the audio.  I know you're pretty far along, but I have a suggestion.

Use the newer 5.1 (7.1? However many tracks they've got now.) for the bulk of the film.  Since it is apparent that Deems' narration is spread across the front 3 channels when upmixed/prologic-ed, but Corey is center channel only, do this:

For the existing Deems 2-channel segments, mix the channels together 50% to make a mono track.

Separate the 5.1 mix, drop out the center channel and sync the new Deems mono track as the center.

This will give you a strong modern sounding surround field, and the center channel, which is going to be largely dialog only will have Deems and not spread across more speakers than Corey.

It'll provide consistency between the dialog portions and provide the best sounding track overall.

Dr. M

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Well, that would work for the narration. However, AFAIK the 82 mix of the music I'm restoring is in stereo. Also, I've been thinking about it and if I get time this summer I may go ahead and do an "original cut" as we'll, with the full pastoral sequence uncut. 

I will use your suggestion about mixing, though. What kind of technical details did you want to hear about?

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I wish you good luck with that, in hope that you find a good source for the complete pastoral and a good editind job for the 1982 sound/mix.

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Sorry, misfire in the brain for a moment.  Obviously there is no 5.1 mix that would match the Kostal soundtrack.  Although it could probably upmix with DPL2 fairly well if it's Dolby Surround.

I got confused by the first post.  Do you plan on putting Deems into both the '41 and the '82 soundtrack?

Dr. M

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I plan on doing the 82 soundtrack, which Deems was on. The Corey version wasn't out till much, much later. 

I have considered doing a 41 version as well as the 82 version, but we shall see...

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Just popping in to express my continued interest in the 82 version.

While I view an "uncut" 41 version as the holy grail, I hope it doesn't derail your progress on the Kostal edition. I hope you can keep your steam up with this and SotS in parallel.

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Definitely - it's like juggling chainsaws. lol

I will finish this and SotS before I start heavy work on a 41 edition of Fantasia. :)

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Well, I'll put in a bid. I don't have a mag reader though, not even on my projector. Anybody here have one? If so, that would be the easiest way to do it, wouldn't it? :)

 

 

Also, still plugging away on this project. It's not dead!

 

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Oy!

Ok, I finally finished the second movement of the Pastoral. It'll be up at Vimeo shortly. It was the worst I've done so far (apart from Bald Mountain) due to the censoring and looping of footage that Disney did to get rid of offensive material. In any case, I'd still like opinions on the audio and the video sync (mainly audio issues) once the file is uploaded. I'll post a link here when it's officially up. 

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Here's the video: https://vimeo.com/85039649

By the way, I will be looking for volunteers to help me "proof" the video before it gets compiled to a DVD/BD. Any volunteers?

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By the way, I will be looking for volunteers to help me "proof" the video before it gets compiled to a DVD/BD. Any volunteers?

May I be of any assistance, Master ;-) ?

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Haha - sure thing! I hope to get it finished by end of this month or next, so when I do I'll PM you. :)

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I can tell you something about this secound movement. Near the end with the cherubs & the blue centaurs couple, the music seems a little off synch with the image. Normally, based on the Stokowski music, the characters (and props) shoeud moves seemlessly with the music. It happens nearly at 5:00 mins.

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Interesting you mentioned that; I felt the same way about it. However, that is one of the relatively rare spots in that segment where the music almost exactly matches the Stokowski recording. The only part where it is off is with the rubato near the clarinet bird calls. That I could fix, but I'm pretty sure Disney just dumped their digital tracks to the disc, and that they didn't rerecord them (though I could be wrong) but regardless I don't want to hack the audio up too much, as it wouldn't be truthful to the 1982 version. My feeling is that if it was out of sync in '82, it should be out of sync now. Apparently, one of the criticisms of the new soundtrack when it came out was the fact that there were a few parts that didn't sync perfectly.

Anyway, uploading a clip now that illustrates what I'm talking about. Left channel 1941 version, right channel 1982 version.

Thanks for the constructive criticism! :)

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I see. That's too bad then. If it was only the Kostal score, you could just cheat a little and adjust the image directly to the sound. Oh well... Maybe if one of us manage to find a print with the complete Pastoral once of this days...