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EyeShotFirst said:

When I was young, the Original Trilogy was all I had, so in the end, I didn't need the prequels. In fact, the mystery of what happened to Darth Vader was one of the things that always excited me, but that was because I had an imagination.

I never needed to see it. I agree it had so much potential to be a great story, I just never felt it. We never got a glimpse of the great man Obi Wan said he was. We never saw that. If you feel something for an asshole turning evil, more power to you.

George could've pulled some tears out of some people if he'd made Anakin a likable person.

I still like some things about the movies, I don't know if it's the score, or the fact that there are occasional glimpses at what is to come, but without the OT, my interest in the prequels would be nonexistent. Your great films only stand because people that saw the OT wanted to see more.

 I couldnt agree more.  This whole origins story thing Hollywood is onto has gotten so old.  

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I always thought the Prequels should have been 1 movie, and I think it would have been alot more accepted among the SW fanbase.  Coppola was able to tell Vito Corleone's backstory in one movie, why did we need 3 movies to see the backstory of Anakin Skywalker other then to cash in on the SW name?

If Lucas would have done 1 Prequel movie, he could have crafted a 3 hour no holds barred movie where it would have been all red meat to the fans, and we wouldn't have to deal with pointless exposition that makes the trilogy move like molasses sometimes.  

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CO said:

I always thought the Prequels should have been 1 movie, and I think it would have been alot more accepted among the SW fanbase.  Coppola was able to tell Vito Corleone's backstory in one movie, why did we need 3 movies to see the backstory of Anakin Skywalker other then to cash in on the SW name?

If Lucas would have done 1 Prequel movie, he could have crafted a 3 hour no holds barred movie where it would have been all red meat to the fans, and we wouldn't have to deal with pointless exposition that makes the trilogy move like molasses sometimes.  

When Puzo died he and Coppola were planning on a 4th film that would have told Vito's long missing backstory between the end of GF2 and the start of GF1, so this analogy doesn't totally work.

I agree it could have been covered in one movie but in a galaxy as big as SW 3 movies should have still been exciting and fast paced. Obi Wan was barely in TPM and Anakin wasn't developed at all either. Lucas could have stuffed all 3 of the PT with exciting adventures we never saw (The "Nest of Gundarks"? or "That business on Cato Nemoidia"?) or call me crazy but he could have shown us what happened in the bloody CLONE WARS?!?

Seeing the Clone Wars was the main reason I bought cinema tickets to those films. But all we got was Yoda saying they'd started in AOTC, one battle above Coruscant in ROTS, a couple of montages and then they were over. What happened to 'Episode II.5: The Clone Wars' Where we spent 2 hours having fun and beginning to actually like our two heroes Anakin and Obi-Wan?

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Seeing the Clone Wars was the main reason I bought cinema tickets to those films. But all we got was Yoda saying they'd started in AOTC, one battle above Coruscant in ROTS, a couple of montages and then they were over. What happened to 'Episode II.5: The Clone Wars' Where we spent 2 hours having fun and beginning to actually like our two heroes Anakin and Obi-Wan?

If the Clone Wars were only going to consist of CG Temuera Morrisons fighting CG battle droids, then I'm glad they were glossed over. 

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Seeing the Clone Wars was the main reason I bought cinema tickets to those films. But all we got was Yoda saying they'd started in AOTC, one battle above Coruscant in ROTS, a couple of montages and then they were over. What happened to 'Episode II.5: The Clone Wars' Where we spent 2 hours having fun and beginning to actually like our two heroes Anakin and Obi-Wan?

If the Clone Wars were only going to consist of CG Temuera Morrisons fighting CG battle droids, then I'm glad they were glossed over. 

  Yes you're probably right (Sad face)

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Personally, I think the Samurai Jack styled 2003 'Clone Wars' microseries edited together into one two-hour film serves quite well as an Episode 2.5. 

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funny that the prequels aren't rated that badly by most critics. in video review books they're usually rated well.

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When you distill film review down to a number of stars, it's not really a review anymore.  At that point, you're just answering "is the reader going to like this movie" which really means you're taking into account the likely reader just as much as the film.  If you think the reader is going to like anything with explosions and chase scenes, then you're going to give those films lots of stars.

Not saying there aren't critics out there who don't dislike the prequels, but if they didn't write a few paragraphs on the subject, you really have no idea what they actually thought.

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vacuum said:

funny that the prequels aren't rated that badly by most critics. in video review books they're usually rated well.

The actual ratings are not completely horrible, coming in at the 67% mark, but once you start actually reading those "positive" reviews... 

"Lucas has never been able to conjure another Han Solo, a character who could, with simply a wink, remind us that this was just an overgrown Saturday afternoon serial."

"A commendable example of the sort of movie we once loved and then outgrew."

"The scale of the enterprise is thrilling; it's too bad the movie is so muddled on so many different levels."

"Though, lacking in plotline it makes up for in action and entertainment."

"Lucas does not always recognize his limitations. This tends to make films of mixed quality. Still, there is always enough that is excellent to make them worth seeing."

"While it lacks the quality of Empire's script and performances, Clones is the most visually enthralling of the series so far."

"The critics that actually didn't like the PT were a bit more harsh.

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Ah, critics and their praise for the PT ... like Ebert, who thought Stargate was no better than an Ed Wood film, considered Home Alone 3 superior to the first two, and who's meagre screenwriting credits consist mainly of porn movies.

Yeah, I don't exactly give a shit about what film critics say.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Ah, critics and their praise for the PT ... like Ebert, who thought Stargate was no better than an Ed Wood film, considered Home Alone 3 superior to the first two, and who's meagre screenwriting credits consist mainly of porn movies.

Yeah, I don't exactly give a shit about what film critics say.

Stop picking on Warb ;-)

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Seeing the Clone Wars was the main reason I bought cinema tickets to those films. But all we got was Yoda saying they'd started in AOTC, one battle above Coruscant in ROTS, a couple of montages and then they were over. What happened to 'Episode II.5: The Clone Wars' Where we spent 2 hours having fun and beginning to actually like our two heroes Anakin and Obi-Wan?

If the Clone Wars were only going to consist of CG Temuera Morrisons fighting CG battle droids, then I'm glad they were glossed over. 

 Funnily enough, we did get the clone wars on screen, and in addition to the CG Temuera Morrisons and CG Battle Droids, we also had a CG Ewan McGregor, CG Natalie Portman, CG Hayden Christenson...

Sadly that cartoon was better than the actual prequels were, by a very wide margin. It finally gave us a heroic Anakin, for one thing.

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Owyn_Merrilin said:

Sadly that cartoon was better than the actual prequels were, by a very wide margin. It finally gave us a heroic Anakin, for one thing.

 not to mention the writers of the show liked the OT, unlike lucas.

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Whenever I read posts about how the writers behind the Clone Wars series liked the OT and tried to recapture it's flavour, I want to give the show a chance and check out a few episodes. But then I hear about things like Palpatine duelling Maul and his brother with a pair of lightsabers, and I just want to build a raging bonfire for the whole thing.

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Well, with you know who as Executive Producer, certain things are going to creep in. By and large it's way above the prequels. It won't kill you to DVR the thing, as it's running on Adult Swim in the wee hours on Saturdays. ;)

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SilverWook said:

Well, with you know who as Executive Producer, certain things are going to creep in. By and large it's way above the prequels. It won't kill you to DVR the thing, as it's running on Adult Swim in the wee hours on Saturdays. ;)

You're setting such a low bar I wouldn't even call the above a recommendation ;)

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Hal 9000 said:

Personally, I think the Samurai Jack styled 2003 'Clone Wars' microseries edited together into one two-hour film serves quite well as an Episode 2.5. 

Agreed.  Although not much happened story wise, I love that particular art style and it really suited the clone war action.  I would prefer to watch this over both the prequels and the CG clone wars series.

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vacuum said:

Owyn_Merrilin said:

Sadly that cartoon was better than the actual prequels were, by a very wide margin. It finally gave us a heroic Anakin, for one thing.

 not to mention the writers of the show liked the OT, unlike lucas.

Well an extremely positive thing about CW is that they actually made Anakin a likeable character as opposed to PT. But CW still has a lot of crap concepts from PT, such as clone troopers, droid armies, etc. As well as some of their own crap.

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bashing or not, the prequels are a tired subject.

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Can we get back to bashing the prequels?  That's much more fun.

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Well since everybody loves to bash the script of the prequel trilogy (and don't get me wrong, it is bad at some points), let's not be biased.  How many times do you think Han Solo uses the word "reward" in EPIV?  I'm not sure of the exact number, but it's always struck me as being too many.  Doesn't he know any synonyms? 

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There's already an OT flaw thread.  This thread is really about making fun of the OP.

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He is pretty focused on the reward.  He mentions it 3 of the 6 times it's mentioned in the movie.   I wonder if there is some sort of character driven reason for that?

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Han Solo's vocabulary never bothered me. Anakin, on the other hand, wishes he could wish things away in AOTC.

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CO said:

I always thought the Prequels should have been 1 movie, and I think it would have been alot more accepted among the SW fanbase.  Coppola was able to tell Vito Corleone's backstory in one movie, why did we need 3 movies to see the backstory of Anakin Skywalker other then to cash in on the SW name?

If Lucas would have done 1 Prequel movie, he could have crafted a 3 hour no holds barred movie where it would have been all red meat to the fans, and we wouldn't have to deal with pointless exposition that makes the trilogy move like molasses sometimes.  

When Puzo died he and Coppola were planning on a 4th film that would have told Vito's long missing backstory between the end of GF2 and the start of GF1, so this analogy doesn't totally work.

I agree it could have been covered in one movie but in a galaxy as big as SW 3 movies should have still been exciting and fast paced. Obi Wan was barely in TPM and Anakin wasn't developed at all either. Lucas could have stuffed all 3 of the PT with exciting adventures we never saw (The "Nest of Gundarks"? or "That business on Cato Nemoidia"?) or call me crazy but he could have shown us what happened in the bloody CLONE WARS?!?

Seeing the Clone Wars was the main reason I bought cinema tickets to those films. But all we got was Yoda saying they'd started in AOTC, one battle above Coruscant in ROTS, a couple of montages and then they were over. What happened to 'Episode II.5: The Clone Wars' Where we spent 2 hours having fun and beginning to actually like our two heroes Anakin and Obi-Wan?

 You mean this and this?

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