OBI-WAN37 said:
I was just about to get a possible answer to my arguments I made in the three posts just before yours. And, although I'm not totally sure this is by coincidence, someone always seems to prevent a direct response from coming from an OT fan after his argument is challenged well, whether it's the OT fan making the argument or someone who's watching, and this seems to be one of those times. So, I'm asking as politely as possible, can any of the individual posters I was responding to please give me a response to the response I gave them in any of my previous three posts?
Sure.
OBI-WAN37 said:
Ryan McAvoy said:
OBI-WAN37 said:
I'm amazed at how many very minor flaws people on this site manage to find in the prequels.
The make-up on ian mcdiarmid? First of all, I didn't notice anything wrong with it when I watched the prequels, and secondly, even if there was, it's not a big deal.
Secondly, the plot for the Phantom Menace was great: saving an endangered planet (naboo). And the plot for Attack of the Clones was good enough, and the plot for Revenge of the Sith was fantastic (Anakin's turn to the dark side).
Thirdly, I don't even care about the not-so excellent dialogue. Sure some of it was cliche. Like Darth Vader's "nooooooooooo"... but who cares? The films were an awesome tragedy.
Fourthly, the original trilogy wouldn't mean nearly as much to me if the prequel trilogy didn't exist. I mean, sure the acting's better. But not by much. I mean look at Ewan McGregor, Samuel Jackson, Ian Mcdiarmid, Liam Neeson, Christopher Lee.... all fantastic actors from the prequels.... and sure the story in the Original Trilogy was just as good as (but not better than) the prequels when you compare the two trilogies as individual episodes, but overall as one big, single movie the original trilogy just wasn't as good as the overall story of the prequels was as a single movie....
I mean, you can't deny that the awesomeness of the action in the prequel trilogy was far greater than the awesomeness of the action in the original trilogy... and the ships abundance of great-looking ships was greater too... combine that with the awesome story of the prequels and you have one pretty fantastic trilogy.
Setting the top image aside for a moment (And that the bottom one is unfinished),
You say "The plot for Attack of the Clones was good enough" and "I don't even care about the not-so excellent dialogue. Sure some of it was cliche. Like Darth Vader's "nooooooooooo"... but who cares?"
Too quote Luke "I CARE!". Since when was mediocrity acceptable in films? Plus since when was admitting that something was average a valid defence of how good it was? (We're through the looking glass on this one chums).
Okay, you must admit you didn't mention how I also said that the story for the phantom menace was great and that the story for revenge of the sith was fantastic, and how I also said that the story for the prequel trilogy as one full story was even better than the original trilogy as one story, and you also didn't mention how I called the story a "fantastic tragedy". So that is how the prequel trilogy is still fantastic.
I didn't repeat you saying the story in TPM and ROTS was great because I obviously disagree with that (And it was a ridiculous statement), but I thought I'd voice my agreement with your other points.
Leaving the godawful TPM and AOTC aside. I actually think ROTS is okay-ish, I can tolerate it just fine but to say it is superior to the OT is madness. I'll defend the few things that are good and I have before.
e.g. Hayden gets a bad rap IMO. He was a young inexperienced actor faced with the impossible task of essentially introducing a new character (Little Annie was a different character played by a different actor in a different time) that had to immediately turn bad before we were given a chance to like or even know him. If George had cast Hayden in TPM and Hayden had a whole film of adventuring for us to like him (The way we liked Hamill's Luke) before he ever does anything bad, then TPM and by extension AOTC and ROTS would have been better films as a consequence (Not fantastic but watchable).
Also Hayden has said that George wouldn't let him play the character the way he wanted to (The way he was allowed to in ROTS) during AOTC. I really like the Anakin we see during the opening act of ROTS for about 15 mins (But it was too little too late, we should have spent 4hrs plus with that guy up to that point). Also all of Hayden's good scenes are on the cutting room floor because George had no idea what he was doing on the PT. I also suspect that all the good takes from all the actors are on a hardrive somewhere in the archive.
I really wish I could love the PT because the 6 hours of Star Wars that the OT offers isn't enough for me. I've even done my own fanedits of the PT to get them into a state where I can watch them more comfortably but as I've said to imagine that they can ever be better than the OT is just silly.