Sick of Star Wars Prequel bashing.... — Page 2

imperialscum said:

Wolfman said:

Best you stay over on TFN where you can all have a group hug about it.

I am sorry but you don't seem to understand the mind of an average prequel boy. They get very little satisfaction from agreeing among themselves on "how great the prequels are". Their mind is ravaged by the fact that a lot of people hold a bad opinion of the prequels. The most satisfaction they get from attacking those people.

 Why are the people who always claim that the prequel trilogy sucks always so rude about it? I wasn't rude to anyone here. I challenge you to look through any of my posts and find one rude remark. Chances are, you won't. And yet I'm getting tons of people being rude to me. And by the way, it seems to me that people who dislike the OT are the people who feel a need to try and be rude to prequel trilogy-lovers for no justified reason. I don't appreciate it. Another thing I don't appreciate is all the prequel trilogy-haters stating their opinions as if they're fact. They hardly ever say "in my opinion...", or even "I think...". 

If having enough sense to recognize that something is ridiculous is equivalent to being 'rude', then put me down for the rude camp.

One problem I do have with some prequel bashers is that they'll say to stop bashing the prequels if you bash the prequels for a different reason from them. For example, if you talk about how terrible the Padme-Anakin romance is, everyone will love you, but if you talk how terrible it is that Palpatine is a Sith, those same people will tell you to shut up.

You know... it's a discussion board so exchanging opinions is the default.

It's more simple to back up hard facts with references than posting IMHO after every vowel.

imperialscum said:

I don't see why people argue about CGI/models? CGI and lack of real sets have nothing to do with prequels being bad. It is the enjoyable characters, lame story and bad dialogue.

It comes down to taste. Prior to the early 00's, most of the movies I was exposed to were made before the proliferation of CG, and as such, I was accustomed to movies made with physical effects. When CGI took over, Hollywood films turned horrendously alien, and the more of them I saw -- with their lousy characters and weak plots -- the more unpalatable CGI became.  

Outside of fully animated films like the ones made by Pixar, I utterly loathe CGI, and am completely opposed to the heavy use of it in live-action films.

I play Star Wars video games that are pure CGI and yet they are far more enjoyable than prequels.

Video games, by their very nature, have to be CG. Films, on the other hand, don't, as all the movies made before the proliferation of CGI prove.

There is nothing wrong with CGI.

Again, it comes down to taste. I'll take stop-motion animation, puppets, models, and animatronics over it any day of the week.

OBI-WAN37 said:

I'm a little sick of everyone bashing the prequel trilogy. They are utterly mind-blowingly fantastic films. And no, I'm not joking. They're a fantastic trilogy and tragedy (I'm not misspelling any words). The way Palpatine manipulates anakin is excellent, and there's so many awesome action sequences. You get to see the Jedi in their prime, and for those who say the prequels had too much CGI, check this thread, which proves there isn't really too much CGI in the prequel trilogy, except for maybe the clones: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/p...-etc.50017310/. And yes, the story was great, because anakin turning to the dark side is truly moving, and the way Palpatine manipulates anakin into doing so is so cool, especially in episode III when you're just watching and thinking, "no, don't turn to the dark side", but then he does and the effect, regardless of how obvious it is that it was going to happen, is amazing. And the climatic duel on mustafar! Fantastic. They even incorporated a real erupting volcano into that scene! As awesome as the original trilogy is, I think the prequels surpass episodes IV-VI. I look forward to episode VII not so much because I want the film to live up to the originals, as fantastic as they are, but because I want it to live up to the prequels. What do you think about prequel bashing?

 The difference between here and TFN is that there is more freedom to debate here, even if most members don't agree with your topic.

I haven't logged on to TFN in awhile, but I guarantee if you started this same topic over there it would get locked.  The only time threads get locked or people get banned here is if  someone steps way over the line,  which is very rare.   EVERY Thread is going to end up in a debate and people are going to disagree,  but for some reason TFN picks and chooses what is a debate, and then they decide to lock a thread.

I have been banned so many times at TFN (because I didn't corform to their ridiculous rules), whereas we are pretty level headed here in our debates.

Again, you aren't going to find people who who agree with your topic, but you have ever right to post it here.

Anchorhead said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Another thing I don't appreciate is all the prequel trilogy-haters stating their opinions as if they're fact. They hardly ever say "in my opinion..."

Step lightly, 37.   You'll get more rope than we would on your board, but there is a limit.  Careful with the accusations as well.

OBI-WAN37 said:

They are utterly mind-blowingly fantastic films.

 So... have you determined whose alt is it yet?

OBI-WAN37 said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Oh yeah you're right there's hardly any CGI in the PT and it all looks stunning. I've just removed my eyes and given them a proper telling off for lying to me all these years.

Knowing this fact really makes me appreciate how agile pensioners like Christopher Lee and Ian McDiarmid really where. They must have done some Yoga training because their bodies twisted and bent into shapes that you'd think were impossible. Neato! (Also the puppeteering on general Grievous was sick!).

 Did you not see that thread I linked? http://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/ It proves that there are a lot of models in the PT. I would suspect that that battle in AOTC actually did use some models, you can see a model AT-TE in the thread I linked, not to mention models of Mustafar, Naboo Royal Cruiser, a HUGE miniature city of Mois Eisley,the streets of Coruscant, that thing in the second picture down, the huge Geonosian arena, the corridors of the Jedi temple, the huts of the tusken raiders, the podracers, naboo, Kamino, the place where Anakin and Obi-Wan fought Count Dooku, the Trade Federation interior, life-size podracer, some different costumes for the aliens on Mustafar, the Podracer stadium, the AAT, Feluccia, the hanger in the Invisible Hand, the Jedi Temple, a life-size Naboo Starfighter, C-3PO half-built, what seems to be half of a life-size podracer for Sebulba, several places where Anakin and Obi-Wan fought eachother, and this is probably only a fraction of the stuff they actually used.

I have to agree.

 To be fair, there is LOTS of great sets, model work, and masks/makeup in the PT that everyone seems to overlook in all the CGI hate.  The puppetry that realized half done 3PO was really cool. 

It's noteworthy for fandoms self-evaluation that there's sure been a lot of shit slung at "Puppet Yoda" from a group (us) that supposedly appreciates that type of thing

Mrebo said:

I've made the point before, but it's simply weak phrasing to say "in my opinion" or "I think," when expressing an opinion. It's useful if one really needs to make clear something is opinion or to express doubt about one's position on something (I think his car is blue), but in general it's an unnecessary disclaimer, I think. See how silly that is!

I think it's helpful in clarifying that the person giving the opinion recognizes that it's an opinion, and not an objective fact. After all, it's no fun giving a POV on something only for another person reading it to jump to the conclusion that you're a conceited blowhard.

I don't think they are terrible,  I think they are very flawed.  They are a different style of movie than the OT for sure, and the OT is far more consistent.  The PT would have been much higher regarded had they not been star wars films I think.

They are good films, they just aren't nearly the perfection of the original trilogy.  And sure, hayden christensen's performance was terrible, but let's not pretend Mark Hammil was all that fantastic in A New Hope either.  He was much better than hayden for sure, but he didn't get REALLY good until Empire strikes back.  Don't get me wrong I strongly enjoy his performance in ANH, it's just not as perfect as it is in ESB.

Also, Ewan is very good as obi wan in the prequels I think, something alot of people fail to mention.  (or realize).  Whether or not you like the prequels, Ewan was a good obi wan.  And he could have been better yes, but alot of that goes along with not having anything to react to, other than a green screen and somebody yelling "BANG". 

The key to the whole Prequels is Anakin and Padme, and would the audience care about them?  In the end, I really didn't care about their struggles and their eventually fate at the end of the Episode 3, so it really makes it tough for me to enjoy 3 movies essentially about them.

That is why I hesitate to these OT vs PT debates because they are essentially 2 different trilogies with 2 different characters, so its just natural that the viewer may only care for the OT characters, and not like the PT characters, or vice versa.

It will be interesting with the ST and the structure from what is leaking on the internet (Luke, Leia, Han are prominent in Episode 7 and their kids will be the leads in Episodes 8 & 9).