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The Bizzle
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The intelligence of SW Fan boys....
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Date created
29-Sep-2004, 7:05 AM
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Maybe, However the above fanboy ignores the url address of this website forum in his rush to defend Lucas' latest batch of poor and unnecessary changes.


What defense? You see defense--but where am I defending anything. I know I'm explaining a bunch of shit, but nowhere in there do I state which version I prefer and which I don't. See, I can analyze and understand things without having to come down with some sort of instant value judgment on it. I can dislike something and still explain why it works. Funny that for all the derisive laughing and pointing, a fanboy comes in and explains it very clearly--and there's no debate and you have to severely twist the entire post to "You don't like the point of this site" which is not at all the case, nor was it the point of the post.

I don't miss the point of the site, but then again, it seems most people on the site DO seem to miss the point, especially when the largest point of discussion on the messageboards is dedicated NOT to getting originals on DVD, but to applying THEIR OWN changes to the movies. The majority of people here don't REALLY want the originals, they want THEIR version of the Special Editions. They want the control of the franchised returned to them--without ever realizing they never had control of the franchise in the first place.

It seems most people on this site are more prone to overblown hyperbole and straw man arguments in order to put them and their wishes on some sort of moral pedestal when every single one of those complaints can easily be totally undercut. These superficial concerns are a facade for the REAL reason, which is "I just want the movies I grew up with." Which, by the way, SHOULD be enough. There's nothing to argue against, there, is there. No one can tell you that you SHOULDN'T have those, right? So why isn't the purest, most boiled down version of the argument enough?

But the problem is that most people on this site start bringing up crap like "horrified by revisions that cancel out the work of creative artisans and actors," crap that fully ignores the majority of that work by these creative artisans and actors are STILL in the movies, by a margin of roughly 80-20 percent, and the credits that roll at the end of the movie STILL give these people their recognition. I wonder how many of the people on this site, who are so concerned about these artisans and actors, even KNOW THEIR NAMES or know which artisan did what and where in the movies? Or how many people here even CARE about such things beyond the value it can give them in adding another plank to their soapbox they get to spew from? "we want to preserve film history." is a fine argument, if you ignore that the films ARE preserved, and have been preserved. Library of Congress. Smithsonian. Not to mention the tens of millions of copies on VHS and Laserdisc. The preservation argument has been handled pretty easily.

But once again, this is just a superficial issue constantly brought out to trump up the moral standing of a petulant child who is trying to add gravity and weight to what is essentially a full-blown temper tantrum. You don't want preservation, because you've already got that. You don't want the effects artists to be respected, because you can't even NAME these people.

Hell, you can't even RECOGNIZE that my above post wasn't a defense of Lucas, but an attack on fanboys who do more to harm their cause than to actually help it, who don't recognize the bullshit falling out of their head when they smell it. The point of the site makes perfect sense. My signature is ON this petition. The site's cause doesn't upset me. The people carrying the flag is what bothers me. Their illogical, irrational and hyperbolic dittohead ranting is what bothers me. The inability or unwillingness to attempt to critically think about anything beyond "I WANT WHAT I WANT AND I WANT IT NOW FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU" is what bothers me.

You got slapped in the face with a pretty point blank observation of the worst of the people carrying the originaltrilogy.com flag and didn't have anything to come back with but a stereotype and a rationalization that has nothing to do with what I posted. That's what bothers me.

What bothers me, at the core, is the issue of control. The fans who constantly assume they have rightful ownership of these movies because they bought tickets and cassettes and toys and blankets. The false sense of entitlement that turns even the most intelligent and well thought out arguments into the bleating of a spoiled brat's temper tantrum. The irrational personal hatred towards someone they've never met, and the blatant truth that people dont' have problems with changing the originals, they have problems with LUCAS changing the originals. They're perfectly fine with MagnoliaFan changing them, and they're perfectly fine with REPLACING theatrical versions with MagnoliaFan's (on a site called originaltrilogy.com) but they can't stand when Lucas himself does it. That's really hypocritical and borderline mind-boggling. Only Star Wars fans have gone so far over the deep end that they consider CONSUMING PRODUCT an act worthy of OWNERSHIP. As if choosing to spend money on something puts the creator in some kind of DEBT to us. That notion is just silly as hell. People have fixated too long on these movies and have poured what meager creative energies they have into someone else's creation and they resent that the creator actually has repossessed his own creation to "fix" as he sees fit, and they can't stand that. And it's THAT undertone that taints the best posts here. And what people here dont' recognize is it's that undertone that probably is hindering your efforts more than anything.

And yet, I can say all these things and please note there is not a SINGLE DEFENSE OF A SINGLE CHANGE in there. Amazing how that works.