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While Sleeping Beauty by no means is my favorite film.  The level of Dvnr on the Blu ray is unacceptable.

Nice to know these same people now own the star wars trilogy.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Doctor M said:


@nirbateman - Where did you get a BD of the BatB WiP?  I thought that didn't exist.

 I didn't.

When I prepared digital files from the 2DBD for Andrea's project, I noticed that there is a 2nd video signal.

When I extracted it and examined it, I was pretty amazed.

Clear as day, a progressive SD video file of the WIP, scanned from a film print.

It's 3 MBPS, in 480p, and obviously, cinematic as hell.

If only they would do that to the theatrical version...

Anyway, I raised a question on AMPS regarding that file, as I have uploaded it for Andrea to use as a guideline for his project, and I'd love to share it.

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So, if the BD had been authored differently, the WIP could have been viewed full screen?

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SilverWook said:

So, if the BD had been authored differently, the WIP could have been viewed full screen?

 I don't really understand what you mean, but I assume that if the WIP is chosen in the main menu, that is what will be seen.

Anyway, it's on AMPS, for your consideration.

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Unless my memory fails me, there was criticism of the Blu Ray for making the WIP a tiny picture in picture feature only.

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SilverWook said:

Unless my memory fails me, there was criticism of the Blu Ray for making the WIP a tiny picture in picture feature only.

 That might explain why it is in SD.

But once you extract that signal, you can play it in full screen, since it will be a separate video file.

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There is a 1080p version of "The Black Cauldron" available at the VOD site vudu.com

A Blu-ray conversion of this is floating around Usenet, and image detail is VERY good. With a higher bitrate this would easily be good enough for an official Blu-ray release.

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captainsolo said:

I just happened across the original CAV disc of TLM and the CLV of The Lion King, and while no major Disney fan and certainly not at all as knowledgeable as those in this thread on the topic they blew me away.

Despite being cropped to a 1.33 frame, I had just seen my sister's BD of TLM and in even the LD's opening shots was awestruck at the amount of atmospheric fog that simply wasn't there in the BD. Fine detail was inherent on this disc from 1990 that felt far more natural than anything the BD could muster. I even tried the BD on my CRT screen and that did next to nothing.

I just got out of a "sing-along" screening of TLM - I went solely because the theater website said it would be 35mm. Sure enough, it was - a 1997 print with literally burned-in lyrics.

As I do now with all 35mm screenings I go to, I was studying the image throughout. And right at the beginning, I saw the heavy diffusion in the opening scene. (Eric spotting "Vanessa" om the beach had the fog too - as well as a distinctly brownish cast.)

Lighting effects were blown out (in a very filmic way, not a clipped-whites way), the sunset wedding scene had the characters darkened by the backlit skies just like I remember from the pre-2006 video releases, and the animation lines did look thin (depending on how close the camera was to the artwork, at least), but in a very organic way - they flickered and fluctuated, they didn't look clean and consistent like Disney seems to want their 2D stuff to look now.

And of course, it had GRAIN, that magic ingredient which makes 2D animation look like a FILM instead of a glorified Flash cartoon...

I'd love to see a 1989 print (even though AFAIK the 1997 restoration was strictly photochemical). Did Derann make any Super 8 feature prints?

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I do believe with almost 100% certainty that there is a Derann full feature print of the little mermaid.

The big 90's hits as well were on super 8.  Up to at least least fantasia 2000.

Not sure if any other were made after that point.

I hate grain removal on animated film as well. The worst case i have ever seen is Disney/ Buena Vista butchering of The Castle of Cagliostro. And its in 1080i.  Horrible. Certainly better than the DVD or Laserdisc not really up to showcase level blu ray quality. Best release i have ever seen in terms of being left untouched is Nausicaa of the valley of the Wind.

Too bad the bad reviews it got based on grain led them to dvnr the other catalog titles afterwards.

Would love to have Kiki's Delivery Service and Totoro DVNR free.  Sadly the film grain haters won't allow that.  These cases were not dial set to 10 dvnr but i prefer dvnr free BD.

Usually i find most new films and the BD identical for some reason the colors on the BD of Ponyo for instance were more muted than the 35mm giving the print an edge over the BD.

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Laserschwert said:

There is a 1080p version of "The Black Cauldron" available at the VOD site vudu.com

A Blu-ray conversion of this is floating around Usenet, and image detail is VERY good. With a higher bitrate this would easily be good enough for an official Blu-ray release.

 I suspect if Black Cauldron ever hit BD it would be treated similar to Rescuers Down Under.

That is to say they would assume a restoration would not recover its costs so they'd just strike it from the best version available without cleaning up.

Which of course means it would look better than their other top releases.

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TBC is the one I'm hoping they don't screw up. A remastered DVD came out just a couple years ago, and it looked good to me. The original disc was not anamorphic, and might have even been from a master intended for LD.

As you say, it's lower tier status may be what spares it from being digitally scrubbed.

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I thought Disney never had the rights to Cagliostro.

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woodsyallen said:

poppins is now on bluray. hows that hold up?

 From what I can tell, not so bad.  It's 1.66:1 again, which is still questionable.

There is grain fortunately.  I've only seen one screenshot from an animated scene and I wasn't completely impressed, but it seems to be an improvement over the DVD.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Mary-Poppins-Blu-ray/7714/#Review

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A few grabs from "The Black Cauldron":

http://imageshack.com/a/img547/4044/nfjr.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img10/1188/jmm1.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img18/1558/0yfz.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img703/3892/rvj7.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img15/6236/g6gy.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img19/81/tmfl.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img17/4070/pmpb.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img845/8894/tzlo.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img849/3829/p0e8.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img17/2490/ynsz.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img27/6808/vvqx.jpg

Less edge enhancement and a higher bitrate and it would be good enough for me.

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There's actually some grain. Huh.

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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Yeah, that actually looks pretty good!

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Have there been any updates on Fantasia preservation projects?  I've seen no news in awhile.

Dr. M

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Still working on it. Just takes a while to get the sound synced up. I'm probably 70% finished with the project. Trust me - when I'm finished, you'll know. :)

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Don't we already have a print of this title (Dumbo) waiting to be transfered ? If not, do you think it's actual colour faiding will be a problem during transfer and restauration ?