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He looks good in Matt's old clothes. Almost a shame to change them really.
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Where were you in '77?
He looks good in Matt's old clothes. Almost a shame to change them really.
He should probably go with this look...
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Ziggy Returns!!
Watching 'The Enemy of the World' at last.
If any newer fans are wondering where to dip their toes into the early B&W era this would be a good place as Patrick Troughton is so clearly the inspiration for Matt Smith's performance in this serial. I kept expecting Troughton to say "Timey, wimey" or something.
Has a great dark story, the photography and lighting is gorgeous, the sixties costumes look great (Especially on the 60s era babes!) and Troughton is awesome as the evil Dictator Salamander.
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Bingowings said:
He looks good in Matt's old clothes. Almost a shame to change them really.
but it wouldn't seem right to have the new Doctor continuing to where the old Doctor's clothes.
I got Enemy Of The World too. Is remarkable how the writing leaps in quality from rather stodgy stories like The Savages (nice ideas but written like a couple of five year olds recounting the plot) to similarly idea rich tales like that just a few years later.
Troughton's accent is terrible but his body language is a masterclass of acting.
Two totally different characters and the nuances employed when they each have a go at impersonating each other.
Definitely going to get EOTW when the DVD comes out here in the states.
Where were you in '77?
I'm gonna wait to get the DVD until they do a special edition with some extra features. I usually expect classic Who DVDs to be bursting with bonus content so finding out the current EOTW release has zero, was a disapointment.
I guess this is down to rush releasing it for the anniversary.
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A rather sad story but I like to think she found Gallifrey.
yes, that is very sad : ( . I shall wear blue in her memory tomorrow.
Bingowings, you seem to be the guy to ask (Given your Whovian knowledge and current Avatar):
I started watching 'The Sea Devils' this afternoon for the first time (Not seen a great deal of Pertwee serials to be honest) and I was very surprised (Perhaps even shocked) by the friendly way The Master greats The Doctor and Joe and they seem to like him in return. I thought they were mortal enemies? (I know they weren't back in the early days on Gallifrey).
I'm more familiar with the later 80s Master who was often cheeky and full of mischief but never friendly with The Doctor. Can you elaborate on what serials came before 'The Sea Devils' and what changed afterwards to the character?
btw I noticed 'Irish Jabba' aka Declan Mulholland is in it...
It was his very distinctive staccato Northern-Irish voice I spotted rather than the face, but it is him.
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Wow, more SW/Who connections!
I can't recall when the Master got more hostile towards the Doctor. I guess reaching the end of your regenerations, then stealing yourself a new body to cheat death makes one more evil and twisted?
In the Pertwee era, I got the impression the Master was like Moriarty to the Doctor's Holmes. There was some mutual respect, but no real malice. In other words, he wasn't going to kill the Doctor unless it served his purposes.
Where were you in '77?
The Master, like the Doctor is the same person whatever face he wears (or in the case of Pratt/Beevers doesn't wear). He is essentially the universal sociopath, disdainful of everyone other than himself,throwing extra disgust towards inept authority figures (usually by shrinking them to death so they match the mental image he has of them). He wants to control things because he can't see anyone else as equipped for the job as himself.
Delgado portrays this in an urbane manner as does Derek Jacobi.
He will politely enquire as to the state of Miss Grant's Coccyx while planning to send a time devouring Atlantean god to kill her and the Doctor.
The Master was originally devised to be a Valeyard type off-shoot of the Doctor's own mind. Both Delgado and Pertwee play their roles as bon vivant gentlemen. One is the hero, albeit the sort of hero who would rather not stick around and the other is the sort of villain who comes up with the idea of killer plastic daffodils and is more than willing to put it to use. Both are snappy dressers, where the Doctor has an eye on the fashions of the past the Master seems to prefer then futuristic Nehru jacket look.
The Master got his TCE around the same time that the Doctor's sonic screwdriver became a multi-tool rather than just a device for removing/ replacing screws.
Ainley wanted to play the Master as dark and twisted but he was constantly over-ruled and forced to camp it up, Simm suffered practically the same fate where as Roberts seemed to revel in camp.
Only the decayed form played by Pratt and Beevers is lacking in some form of twisted charm.
There is some debate as to whether originally the characters of The Monk and The War Chief were meant to be earlier versions of the Master.
In Terror of the Autons the Doctor dismisses the threat posed by the Master by calling him "an unimaginative plodder" which matches the Monk
and the War Chief certainly looks the part.
Indeed the War Chief (also urbane and polite and trying to conquer the universe for it's own good) wears a pendant that was previously seen in The Dalek Masterplan by Zephon
who looks more than a little like the Pratt/Beevers Master
.
Like the Monk and the Delgado Master works with the "stupid tin boxes"
which would seemingly execute him in the TVM.
Yet the First Doctor (in The Five Doctors) claims to have no memory of him even though they were supposedly both at the academy together.
The books and audios however do not follow this theory and have the three villains clearly separate people.
Interestingly in The Armageddon Factor we meet two other characters who could have easily have been the Master but for some reason were not.
Drax is another Prydonian contemporary of the Doctor. A criminal who sells weapons for personal gain and is skilled at Matter Condensation (only in this case not killing the shrunken person). He works with the Doctor against the agent of the Black Guardian called the Shadow who looks like this
when the Master was still looking like the above.
Finally you have Salyavin the boyhood hero of the Doctor who was a notorious renegade apparently locked in the Time Lord prison of Shada because of his dangerous powers of hypnotism and his ability to move his will into another being (something the Master does too).
He escaped by causing his guards to forget he existed (a ploy also used by the Master).
So you have a pantheon of pseudo-Masters.
Even the Rani (her name meaning Queen) is sort a female version of the Master. More amoral than evil. She mocks the Master for his pathetic feud with the Doctor but past incarnations of the Doctor mock each other when they bump into each other in much the same way.
^ Wow thanks for that Bingowings, very interesting stuff.
I'll have to watch the serials that lead up to The Sea Devils...
Terror of the Autons
The Mind of Evil
The Claws of Axos
Colony in Space
The Dæmons
I'm raiding my local library's Dr Who DVD collection (They've got a few of the above at least). I'll get The Master's debut in 'Terror of the Autons' on my next trip.
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If you are familiar with the first few Hartnell stories there is a comparison to be made between the Doctor before being exposed to the human influence of Barbara and Ian etc and The Master.
In Logopolis the fourth Doctor has to work with the Ainley Master to prevent the end of the universe.
He needs access to a radio telescope and there is a technician in the way of their progress. The Master is about to kill the chap when the Doctor proposes another way. This is a reference not only to The Master's first screen story but also to the Doctor's first story. In 100.000 BC the Doctor is escaping from the cave of skulls and is being slowed down by an unconscious caveman. Ian catches the Doctor (our hero) about to dash the guy's brains out with a stone and stops him.
The Master is essentially the Doctor without the support of others (if you are a BTVS fan he is Faith to Buffy).
Bingo, my apology ahead of time if this has been discussed before. Do you not care for John Simm or the modern version of The Master?
No apology required I often repeat myself.
No I don't really like much of the Simm performance but that isn't because of the actor himself, who is a proven talent, but more the way he is written.
There is a parallel with the portrayal of Moriarty in Sherlock and Hannibal Lecter in Red Dragon (2002).
There are these characters who are arch by nature, they don't need to be played archly.
There are some amazing scenes with Simm (the Gasmask scene for example) but they would probably worked better if the character was a bit more cold and less like a sixties Batman television villain.
His 'origin' story is hopefully something that will be unwritten soon too as boiling the character down to cosmic tinnitus does have a retromingent effect.
Anthony Ainley was also a proven talent (and a real giggle too by all accounts) but he was cursed in the same manner as Simm to play the role as a camp pantomime (not to say that The Time Monster is a display of understated acting by any means).
Once again that was down to the direction the production team wanted him to go in.
Derek Jacobi got more out of his few minutes as the revived Master than we had seen on screen since probably The Deadly Assassin and that was just the punchline to an otherwise dull story.
People slag off Eric Roberts but his camping around was as skillfully done as either Ainley or Simm and he could have been great if he wasn't a one hit wonder.
Finished 'The Sea Devils' and it was very good. After having been put off watching Pertwee's Doctor (Probably watched him the least out of the lot) by his silly haircut, his silly clothes,
and me always associating him more with the brilliant and comic Wurzel Gummage,
I have to say I'm totally won over. It's the way he fixes weak willed human officials with his steely and withering gaze that I liked best. He's got a fine line in dry humour and his fencing duel with The Master was ace:
(FYI the Lightsabers aren't in the original show)
The plot was a bit slow to get going but rapidly accelerated towards an action packed conclusion. All the 16mm location footage and battle scenes courtesy of The Royal Navy were impressive but kinda underlined the cheap looking interior scenes shot on video. Delgado is great as The Master, very calm, very evil and quite serious... the exact oposite of Simm's take really (Still prefer Ainley's mischievous interpretation). Although he was upstaged by Robert Walker's ruthless politician character, who managed to seem more evil just by ordering sandwiches with a smile.
Now started watching Pertwee's first serial 'Spearhead from space'. It looks fabulous having the unique privlege of being shot entirely on film (Not video and film, as was standard). Plus this has the added bonus that all the location sound has the echo of reality lending the show a documentary realism. I always get a little jolt of excitement when a new Doctor picks out his wardrobe. I knew it was coming when a random guy hung a silk cape on the back of a door.
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It's Worzel Gummidge actually.
I love how Jon called Pat, "Scarecrow" in The Five Doctors.
Jon was the first Doctor I can remember.
The first story I can remember was Carnival Of Monsters, I still think there is something unnervingly awful about the Drashigs.
Bingowings said:
It's Worzel Gummidge actually.
Quite right.
I also watched the Peter Davison serial 'Frontios' this week. Some good costumes, Davison is great as usual and it's got some nice bleak Sci-Fi themes running through it but overall it was a bit meh. It looked very set bound and the acting was of a hugely variable quality. It was nice to see George from 'Drop the dead Donkey' (Jeff Rawle) as yet another leader out of his depth... only this time he's running a planet not a newspaper.
Worth the watch for the comical bit where Turlough is threatning armed guards with a hat-stand which they think is a fearsome timelord weapon :-D
and I got a little thrill at the very end when they get pulled into the time corridor that leads to the superior 'Resurrection of the Daleks' (Which I watched a thousand times on my home taped VHS as a kid). Now I know how they got there!
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I've just worked my way up from the First Doctor to the Third. I'm going to miss the Second. =(
Tobar said:
I've just worked my way up from the First Doctor to the Third. I'm going to miss the Second. =(
I'm just trying to watch the second doctor's stories, but I just can't make it through the recons :-(
pittrek said:
Tobar said:
I've just worked my way up from the First Doctor to the Third. I'm going to miss the Second. =(
I'm just trying to watch the second doctor's stories, but I just can't make it through the recons :-(
Try just listening to them instead of watching (listening+viewing) them.
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