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You just want something, anything to be accepted as a change/"enhancement" by Ady to in some way claim you came up with "that". Whatever it is, from icicles to freaking Yavin?! Come on! lol. The credit list for forum members was closed like 4 years ago if that's what you're after.

It's okay that you came in late in the process to actually contribute when it was a good time to do so, but this is now really getting ridiculous.

Even if it doesn't look like it by all that above, I sincerely appreciate your enthusiasm but it may be best to focus your attention on ROTJ and the PT as this thing is really all but done. Really. :-)

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Either way, back on topic. Can't believe we've finally arrived at the final months. Really excited about being able to finally watch and appreciate ESB:R in all its glory. Congrats to Ady of course but also to the great team behind him. Cheers! :-)

 lol I am honestly not trolling, I already looked at Return of the Jedi for quite some time about 2 years ago in the "collaborative" thread so I already have focused on it and I sort of feel that I have seen the wishlist and did a rough structural edit on it too. I am not really interested in PT edits but I will be interested to see what revisited can do with it.

Yeah too late to the party?, I don't care for having any claims for "That was my idea" only to try to help out and come up with ideas. I could not give two hoots about my name being on any credit list either I just love Revisited project.

Sharing an idea for fun that came about because I looked at the monology thread by Darth Lucus and It also made me think about why we see the same probe crash twice. If anything it would be better to show the probe going to another planet entirely unrelated to hoth and then show the crash on hoth only once...But before anyone kills me I will stop there.

I think some people take things a bit too seriously sometimes here, I think fan edits should be fun and exciting ways of changing the films so they are different and new or when you have different versions finding what is best in what versions.  Ady has made the right choices I am sure, I have zero concern about it being bad to say the least.

It will come out this year hopefully but the team need encouragement to reach the finish line.

Ronster said:

...I think fan edits should be fun and exciting ways of changing the films so they are different and new...

It will come out this year hopefully but the team need encouragement to reach the finish line.

 First off I'd like to point out that I think you're as entitled to make suggestions as anyone else. Secondly, I'd like to explain why your first statement is wrong (at least for THIS edit). Revisited does not seek to "change" things just for the sake of being different. I think that Revisited is a bit unique in that it is part preservation, part restoration, and part fan edit. Most of the effects work being done are updates to old or shoddy looking effects that never quite did the job they were intended to. A few changes ARE being made here and there, but in most cases (and this is especially true of ESB:R) they are being worked into existing shots rather than making all new ones (and when new shots ARE being put in they are almost always a replacement of an old shot and kept as close to the original as possible while improving or fixing the problem that existed). There is a desire to update things slightly, but all while attempting to stay very true to the original film. This will probably not be so much the case on ROTJ:R, and slightly more ambitious suggestions will most likely go over quite a bit better once we get to that film (as long as one DOES keep in mind the undercurrent of preservation and restoration that this project works on).

As for needing a "push" towards the finish line.....I can assure you that we need no such thing. We're as anxious to get this edit there as you are to see it arrive ;)

Amen, muddyknees! I actually feel like very few fan-edits are about "changing the films so they are different." Most fan-edits I've watched, and the ones I like the most, are the ones that are intended to improve a film by cutting, restructuring, or restoring, not by making different. Add to that that these edits are executed by editors with a very clear vision that is consistent in both the wide scope of the entire piece and in the details that make it up. The best fan-editors are able to do what professional editors do: get in the heads of the actual filmmakers and maintain what is true in the spirit and letter of the work. It's not a question of "what would be awesome?", it's a question of "what would be correct?"

That's not to say that radical revisions can't be interesting, but that's not the vision adywan has for Revisited, and the best suggestions tend to be the ones that fit that vision.

doubleofive said:

Thanks Muddy, I was trying to phrase a similiar thought.

Apologies for taking the words out of your mouth ;)

Just here waiting for ESB:R news.....

Lord Haseo said:

Just here waiting for ESB:R news.....

 So is everyone else. Posting that won't speed anything up, be patient.

The Golden Idol said:

Lord Haseo said:

Just here waiting for ESB:R news.....

 So is everyone else. Posting that won't speed anything up, be patient.

 You don't know how it feels to cry yourself to sleep every night waiting for this thing. *begins to cry again*

I am getting very excited for this again.

(On that note, I sincerely, SINCERELY apologize for my earlier remarks in this thread, both for making them and the rudeness of the context of them)

It's like being a little kid and seeing the film for the first time again.  You will put Lucasfilm (or disney if you prefer) to shame for this!

Can't wait, Ady and team!  Keep up the great work!

Anyone seen these?

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAbTQoF0s_Q

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJLpxqJNps

I believe they prove why adywan's care is so important and why the way he fixes things, doesn't destroy the bridges of the thematic narration with the story narration.

muddyknees2000 said:

 

As for needing a "push" towards the finish line.....I can assure you that we need no such thing. We're as anxious to get this edit there as you are to see it arrive ;)

 Maybe but still, 

"Go team go! Go team go!"

Niflamol said:

Anyone seen these?

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAbTQoF0s_Q

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJLpxqJNps

I believe they prove why adywan's care is so important and why the way he fixes things, doesn't destroy the bridges of the thematic narration with the story narration.

Thanks for those links.

Nicely observed. Maybe some more metaphors of that nature could be added to ROTJ and the PT duels.

The lack of dialogue from Maul in TPM backfired on this audience member.

Bingowings said:

Niflamol said:

Anyone seen these?

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAbTQoF0s_Q

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJLpxqJNps

I believe they prove why adywan's care is so important and why the way he fixes things, doesn't destroy the bridges of the thematic narration with the story narration.

Thanks for those links.

Nicely observed. Maybe some more metaphors of that nature could be added to ROTJ and the PT duels.

The lack of dialogue from Maul in TPM backfired on this audience member.

Story, story, story. That's what makes ESB so great. I'll never claim to be a master storyteller, but I think most people can register even on a subconscious level when a film's story just doesn't make sense. ESB is darn near perfect in its exposition and flow. @Niflamol - thanks for sharing.

@Bingo - I think Maul's lack of dialogue was based on the fact that Lucas didn't really know what story he was trying to tell. As Red Letter Media points out in his review, "it's like an 8-year old wrote it." Lucas probably just thought, "We need a cool-looking villain. Let's give this guy the same number of lines as Boba Fett had in Empire. That mystique should guarantee that fans will love him and I can sell more action figures."

I often have found myself asking, "Empire is so good. How is it possible the PT turned out so bad?!" Either Collative Learning is right in that Kirshner is a genius, assisted by a team with impeccable attention to detail (i.e. the details of the hand-chopping scene in Pt 2 of his review above), or it was just dumb luck how all the elements came together the way they did. Either way, I enjoy reading Ady's explanations on his decisions and the team's efforts to preserve the integrity of the narrative. Keep up the fine work on making this great film even better!

Bingowings said:

Niflamol said:

Anyone seen these?

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAbTQoF0s_Q

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJLpxqJNps

I believe they prove why adywan's care is so important and why the way he fixes things, doesn't destroy the bridges of the thematic narration with the story narration.

Thanks for those links.

Nicely observed. Maybe some more metaphors of that nature could be added to ROTJ and the PT duels.

The lack of dialogue from Maul in TPM backfired on this audience member.

 I absolutely agree. In fact i've already thought up a few ideas of how to accomplish that

I've been thinking about the instances of jump cuts which feature in these movies; they're aspects which I feel age the films, and make difficult my suspension of disbelief. I know that Ady has largely smoothed these, but there are two which, for me, remain unconvincing (based on the current version of ANH:R, and the preview scenes already released for ESB:R). These are:

1.) Luke igniting his father's sabre for the first time in Obi-Wan's hut, and
2.) The barrier closing behind Luke (just before Vader pelts him with various parts of Bespin's under-structure).

While these have been significantly addressed by Ady, I've had a thought as to how it might be possible to improve on these even further, potentially achieving far more natural motion during those moments. Seeing as this is the ESB:R thread, I'll lead with the latter! (Apologies for being half off-topic, but my proposed solution to 2.) is similar to 1.), so I thought I'd include that as well!).

When Luke emerges from the tunnel in ESB, there is a console to screen right, emanating a blue light. If this console were to subtly, but noticeably, glow brighter during the instant when the barrier closes (illuminating gradually more so up till, and throughout, the gate's coming down), this could draw the eye very slightly, in such a way as to distract from any residual jerkiness of the jump cut (indeed, in the ESB:R previews, I still find Luke's movement to be somehow odd here). Even a minimal flicker from that console could be enough to divert focus, without resulting in the audience's attention being where it shouldn't (the loud sound-effect of the gate closing, breaking the silence in this scene, would sharply notify viewers, regardless, of Luke being closed in; the result of having the console glow brighter would, instead, merely be the audience not looking wholly at the area where the jump cut's effect is most noticeable).

The idea is that, with a jump cut being two separate shots, the different takes are fused more naturally together by having an event start in one and then conclude in the other, with the event's trajectory appearing unceasing throughout both (in this case, the smooth, even glow running across the two shots; commencing in the first - prior to the barrier's close - and then glowing brighter still up to and during the start of the second - the barrier beginning to fall - until reaching its pinnacle brightness at the end of the second shot - once the barrier has fully shut).

And in a similar fashion, using a minimal visual cue to attract the eye; when Luke ignites his father's sabre in ANH, a small burst of light at the sabre's hilt could be added, just as the weapon is activated. This could, again, lead attention away from Luke and Obi-Wan's awkward facial movements during the jump cut; there would, once more, be a constant event across two separate shots - a moment of light, starting from nothing and gradually reaching its full strength, throughout the jump cut. While this added light source might be irregular as far as lightsabre activations go, the in-universe explanation could simply be that, owing to the weapon's long inactivity, the sabre spurted into life more noticeably than it ordinarily would in regular use. And the added effect which I'm envisioning would be incredibly restrained.

Subtlety would have to be called for, to avoid any cluttering of the image. But if handled deftly enough, could this be something that might work?

BlueCardinal said:

I often have found myself asking, "Empire is so good. How is it possible the PT turned out so bad?!" Either Collative Learning is right in that Kirshner is a genius, assisted by a team with impeccable attention to detail (i.e. the details of the hand-chopping scene in Pt 2 of his review above), or it was just dumb luck how all the elements came together the way they did. Either way, I enjoy reading Ady's explanations on his decisions and the team's efforts to preserve the integrity of the narrative. Keep up the fine work on making this great film even better!

Haha, if Kirshner is a genius, he was a genius for ONE movie. Look, the idea of director-as-author hasn't been around for ever; it's not always the case, and it certainly wasn't in the case of ESB. Clearly Kirshner had a large and positive role in the making of the film, and I sure wish he had returned for ROTJ because he likely would've helped with the performances.

That said, Lucas wrote the story and Lucas edited it (not manually, but his was the final word). He's the alpha and the omega. If there is an "auteur", it's him. But there are a ton of moving parts in these movies, and it's a collaboration, more than anything else. That's why I feel like the Revisited versions have more legitimacy than The Powers That Be give them credit for. 

If Eyes Of Laura Mars had been miss-attributed to Dario Argento (and the necessary unnecessary gore added) I think it would be a major cult hit rather than a minor one.

If Robocop 2 had not been written as practically a remake it would be as well regarded as the first one. Never Say Never Again (an actual remake) was more of an exploited legal loop hole than a film.

Empire came too late to make Kirsh's name as a major director and limited his options. Though ESB is more Lucas than he often gets credit. Kirsh's desire to get it right regardless of the show going over it's projected budget is probably the reason Lucas distanced himself from the films near perfection and embraced the 'it'll do' attitude of ROTJ and the PT.

That's true...it did seem like he was very lenient with the actors and everything else as he got older.

Quistion Bingo

What up, oh shiny helmeted one?

any updates on what you're currently working on? how much is left? I'm dying to see your masterpiece!! also is Luke's snowspeeder supposed to be full grey, without the red lines, as seen in the battle of hoth?