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It wouldn't even be worth the effort if artists could render that convincingly. The ideas add nothing special to the story. We already know Leia was humiliated, far as that's possible.

She's a tough character. She had the capacity to smile and joke shortly after her planet was destroyed in front of her eyes, but is still somehow believable as a real person.

And exotic dancing is supposed to bother her to her core? Come on.

If you really want to bother Leia, you have to threaten Luke or Han. Which was done in the film.

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kristarwars said:

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kristarwars said:

No, but this is the era of digital technology, CGI, and there's a couple little somethings called stand-ins and stunt doubles.  It could be done, easily.

No, it couldn't. 

Unless you think CGI has advanced far enough to make a convincingly realistic and expressive dancing Carrie Fisher, then that's a load of crap. You can only get away with so much with cutaways and body doubles. The entirely new aspects of the scene as you've written it involves seeing Leia's face and expressions.

They've done it like a million times from way back in the days of The Crow and up through Tron: Legacy: taking a current star (or actor/stunt double/etc.) and superimposing another (and sometimes younger) face on them.  Even Episode I had Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson's faces superimposed over their stunt doubles for a couple of shots.  I'm sorry, but they can totally do it.

Really? Really? This is a conversation we are having? Do I have to dignify things by arguing this?

No. No, I do not. Thanks for the chuckle though. 

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I was wondering...what are midi....no... I was wondering if it might make sense to do very rough workcuts of ROTJ:R and the PT:R before doing all the new effects etc.

One of the reasons why we get the sometimes serious, sometimes jesting complaints about progress is because these are labours of love and if you are looking for fast love George Michael is in a bush somewhere in London. Art is labour intensive and if you only have a small group of people with actual lives it takes time.

Most of us get this.

With ANH:R and ESB:R the plot is largely the same (there are hardly any fan-edit properties to the story just the framing) but it appears that the rest of the series is getting a serious overhaul in terms of plot elements.

This is where earlier release viewable workprints might come in handy (with the plot elements shifted around and maybe line drawings, captions and temporary dialogue tracks etc filling in for the new material).

It would show work in progress even when the tedious finessing is taking time.

It would give people something to discuss that may be of actual practical use to the Revisited Project.

And it would generate more hilarity like the SAVE LANDO!! thread.

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is this all Blue Sky dreaming or are people seriously suggesting we send the original actors back in a time machine to reshoot new scenes?

I'm always amazed with what Adywan has achieved with these edits, but some people are really asking for the impossible.

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I think the idea is to re-cast and replace some of the actors either totally or by employing new voice talent coupled with editing.

For example Jar-Jar in theory could be replaced both physically and vocally, either by a human in an alien/droid suit or by another human character.

Anakin could still have the face of Hayden but do things differently on screen and have the voice of an actual human being with emotions.

Entirely new characters could be added to the movies to either replace hideous CGI cartoons or to deliver information that alters or adds to the plot.

Others could be removed from scenes where it makes no sense them being there.

For example if Fett is to be the template for the Clones it would make sense to remove him from Dooku's side as it's bloody obvious that the Jedi are being set up.

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I always throw out this idea, but I'm sure you could introduce characters in the PT who are older in ROTJ:R. They could be used to good effect in adding more depth to the 'BIG' story, while the heroes have their personal battles. Could also add a nice bit of bookending.

These could replace generals and pilot. Maybe even some of the troops on Endor and Imperial Admirals on the Death Star.

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The prospect of what is needed to REVISIT the prequels seriously makes me anxious, haha.  It almost seems that with the amount of work that needs to be done, Ady could create 3 brand new fan films to replace the prequels, and just use the films to pull different visual resources from.

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I always throw out this idea, but I'm sure you could introduce characters in the PT who are older in ROTJ:R. They could be used to good effect in adding more depth to the 'BIG' story, while the heroes have their personal battles. Could also add a nice bit of bookending.

These could replace generals and pilot. Maybe even some of the troops on Endor and Imperial Admirals on the Death Star.

I think this is a great idea.  I still question why they cut out the rebellion scenes in ROTS.  Seeing Mon Mothma was one of the few nods to the OT that actually worked.  Injecting other characters into the prequels and subsequently into ROTJ's rebel debriefing and battle would be a great addition.

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A lot of money was spent making the PT it would be insane to chuck everything out and start again without the same degree of funding and talent.

There is a lot of clay there to mold and build on and a couple of reasonable performances (before the face change Ian McDiarmid is arguable as good in the PT as he is in the OT for example).

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Oh I certainly agree, and I didn't mean to imply that scrapping everything is a good idea.  I was just pointing out the extreme option and how close to viable it actually seems considering the amount of work that needs to be done.  Obviously creating 3 brand new movies from scratch would be silly, but recasting a few characters, filming 'new' scenes, reworking the structure and certain plot elements is going to bring us as close as we've ever come to a complete remake.

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Bingowings said:

I was wondering...what are midi....no... I was wondering if it might make sense to do very rough workcuts of ROTJ:R and the PT:R before doing all the new effects etc.

One of the reasons why we get the sometimes serious, sometimes jesting complaints about progress is because these are labours of love and if you are looking for fast love George Michael is in a bush somewhere in London. Art is labour intensive and if you only have a small group of people with actual lives it takes time.

Most of us get this.

With ANH:R and ESB:R the plot is largely the same (there are hardly any fan-edit properties to the story just the framing) but it appears that the rest of the series is getting a serious overhaul in terms of plot elements.

This is where earlier release viewable workprints might come in handy (with the plot elements shifted around and maybe line drawings, captions and temporary dialogue tracks etc filling in for the new material).

It would show work in progress even when the tedious finessing is taking time.

It would give people something to discuss that may be of actual practical use to the Revisited Project.

And it would generate more hilarity like the SAVE LANDO!! thread.

 Best idea ever? I would say: yes.

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I read an article from the new york times regarding Lucas retirement around the release of red tails and he seems to reference Adywan's edit without even mentioning by name.

“On the Internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie,” Lucas says, referring to fans who, like the dreaded studios, have done their own forcible re-edits. “I’m saying: ‘Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.’ ”

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Lucas is calling hypocrite on all editors, and can you blame him after all the backlash he has got.

The problem here is it could be quite difficult for George to see the reasoning behind people changing his film, but the people who are changing his films don't do it out of disrespect.

But he planted the idea with the constant tinkering so this is now the legacy he has spawned.

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GL of course can say whatever he wants on this matter. He's the creator of SW after all. All respect due.

My view on the  fan edit- thing is pretty straight forward. GL is bitter because he doesn't get WHY fans take issue with his edits vs Ady's. Ady is respecting the original films arguably more than GL has. He's also going through the movies with a fine tooth comb and fixing/enhancing all sorts or small/large things. This is a can of worms GL opened btw.

In short, AdY is crafting superior SE's. And he's doing it mostly himself with the help of other talented fans. A true labor of love that puts the 97, 2004 and blu SE's to shame.

Despite GL and ILM giving the movies "3 quality control passes" we still have crappy inconsistent sabers and other nagging problems. If GL had created awesome SE's from the start there would be no need for Adywan's edits.

The backlash GL got was because he kept the theatrcial versions from fans so that left that hardcore fan-base out in the cold. And those of us who are cool with the SE's got lackluster inconsistent versions of the SE movies. That's two large portions of the fan-base left dissatisfied.

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I see Harmy and Ady as fixing Lucas's twin sagas.

Harmy gives us the first three films as they were (something Lucas refuses to budge on).

Ady tries to give us truly special editions and hopefully a watchable PT (which is true to the intensions of Lucas).

Everything stemmed from Lucas so he should be proud not prissy (leave that to Tony's robot).

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Should we see young Han in PT:R?

Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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^And you have the correct answer.  Unfortunately it was only the $100 question because it was so obvious.

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I guess I'm the only one who likes the idea... He IS the only main OT character that doesn't get a nod.

I have a feeling the awful Chewie/Yoda scene will be removed. Assuming it is, seems like the Han/Chewie backstory would be a pleasant sideplot that could be added to all three of the PT films - it would allow Ady to cut as much as needed, and give him entirely new sequences to film to fill the gaps and give it a SW film length.

I know it would totally mess of the EU, but just imagine building up Han as this kid growing up in the underbelly of Coruscant. Occasionally you could mix him into the crowd in a few scenes with Anakin in it. (the bar, hiding behind another of the pillars in Ep 3 after they crash land - I always thought Padme looked far too suspicious being the only one skulking around).

You could even show him and Lando gambling, show him getting the Falcon at then end and him and Chewie flying off in it for the first time...

Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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I swore that if Young Han showed up in Episode III that I would simply stand up and walk out of the theater. If I were somehow affiliated with that happening, I would have to leave myself.

*NPS continued*

What would Han be doing that would deserve cutting away from the main action to show some kid doing things that have NOTHING to do with the main plot?

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nightstalkerpoet said:

I guess I'm the only one who likes the idea... He IS the only main OT character that doesn't get a nod.

I have a feeling the awful Chewie/Yoda scene will be removed. Assuming it is, seems like the Han/Chewie backstory would be a pleasant sideplot that could be added to all three of the PT films - it would allow Ady to cut as much as needed, and give him entirely new sequences to film to fill the gaps and give it a SW film length.

I know it would totally mess of the EU, but just imagine building up Han as this kid growing up in the underbelly of Coruscant. Occasionally you could mix him into the crowd in a few scenes with Anakin in it. (the bar, hiding behind another of the pillars in Ep 3 after they crash land - I always thought Padme looked far too suspicious being the only one skulking around).

You could even show him and Lando gambling, show him getting the Falcon at then end and him and Chewie flying off in it for the first time...

 I'm kinda hoping that we may get to see Han meet Chewie in the upcoming Rebels series.  If they do consider it, I'd say they all appear later on in the show and we could also get to see Lando as well!  Infinite possibilities I say but to see a young kiddy version of him in the PT:R, I wouldn't recommend it.

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nightstalkerpoet said:

get a nod.

But surely that is one of the biggest failings of the PT! In stead of supplying fresh new characters to help progress the story, we had with cameos to service fans.

The same logic will digitally reintroduce X Y Z new characters from the sequel trilogy piloting x-wings and carrying ice cream makers throughout the OT!

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I'm not particularly fond of the "cameo" approach at all; the PT did definitely fail in this regard.

However, something I've heard over and over again is that the PT is far too "jedi-centric", and that it would be really cool to see how everything is affecting the general  population. 

Also, I find the idea of using Han to fill this role would be far more likely to appease fans than Ady introducing totally new characters of his own creation.

I do digress though, as further research has shown me that Han is only 29 in ANH, where I had previously believed him to be in his mid/late thirties. Under my previous age assumption, Han would have been 16-18 in RotS, providing for a much more interesting story arc than a 10 year old.

Preferred Saga:
1/2: Hal9000
3: L8wrtr
4/5: Adywan
6-9: Hal9000

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You know I'd rather have a young Han cameo than keep young Boba in AOTC.

We already have a young Chewie cameo which was pretty daft when you think about it so extending that to some dark haired human kid hiding in a tent...worse things could happen. Seeing Jedi taken out by men with guns could explain his attitude to the Force in ANH (not that it needs an explanation or anything).

But this post sums up my Fett feelings.