Bingowings said:
Warbler said:
Bingowings said:
Warb doesn't even seem to know what Devil's advocacy is. I play it now and then,
I know what it is and thanks for finally admitting to it.
Bingowings said:
everyone does it's a legitimate tool of rhetoric but to just bleat that everything I say lacks legitimacy because I sometimes try to get readers to see beyond the tramlines
the readers here don't need you to get them to look "beyond the tramlines"
It amazes me the number of people here that think it is their job to educate me.
Bingowings said:
After all love the not sinner not the totally unfounded and yet somehow hinted sin right?
huh?
Bingowings said:
BTW I 'resurrected' the debate because I was away due to the Santanic Winter Fest 2013. Santa, Saturn and Satan all being the same figure as Wotan/Odin/Shani.
see this is what I can't stand. You just have to spew this asinine crap instead of just saying you were away for Christmas. And why do you spew it? to mock my and other Christians' religious beliefs.
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It's a discussion forum
And you happen to be having this discussion on a thread designated for asking questions about the Roman Catholic Faith.
so when you say that I'm being acting like a donkey for 'insulting' your religious belief in Dec 25th being the Birthday celebration of the the savior being you call Jesus, it is a continuation of that discussion point to remember that the festival has little if anything to do with Christianity to the point that in the middle ages the Catholic Church tried to de-paganise it in much the same way that Jehovah's witnesses do today.
Christmas was placed on December 25 for the very purpose of de-paganizing that date. It was formerly a date devoted to a celebration of the winter solstice.
Jesus was most likely born in March-April, between 6 and 4 BC.
The statue of Saturn the bearded lord of time was bound in his temple in great woolen stockings and in December he was put on display and people would get drunk at office parties and children would be given presents and everyone would wear silly hats.
Why was he placed their in December? Because that was part of the celebration of the winter solstice. Again, it was for the purpose of de-paganizing the festival that Christmas was assigned to that date.
In the North children left their boots outside with food for Wotan's steed and hoped to receive presents in return.
The whole present thing may be one of the reasons that we give gifts at Christmas, but for centuries it was a solemn feast until it started getting livelier in the Middle Ages. The other reason though, is because of St. Nicholas, a Catholic bishop born in what is now Turkey in the 400s AD (that's off the top of my head, so pardon me if I make a mistake). He was well known for his generosity, and so we continue the tradition of giving at Christmas in his name.
Satan was the accuser of man and kept an angelic log of all their misdeeds as did Shani who is represented in the heavens by the Planet Saturn which viewed from the naked eye looks like it has a pair of horns.
In my translation of the Bible, what is translated as Satan in some Bibles in the Book of Isaiah is "the morning star" or something like that, which agrees with what you were saying about that earlier (maybe you were writing about Venus; I'm not sure).
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It's not an insult to say this it's just the facts of the feast. Either through parallel evolution or outright stealing Christmas as we know has virtually nothing Christian about it.
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Wrong again. It is a very Christian feast designated to coincide with a pagan feast.