MrBrown said:
I still think that forbiddance of gay marriage is against US constitutional law of equality of all people in front of the law.
Whats about the so called "Country of Freedom" if you use your "freedom" to limit the freedom of others? It is against what Amerca once stands for.
If you want it harsh: The rules of the catholic church are strictly against the constitutional rights in the USA.
I think you are forgetting that the US Constitution was based on Christian values. Saying that it contradicts Christian values must therefore be at least a partial fallacy.
That's, why it would be better to strictly seperate between church and law.
In some ways perhaps. I don't think the government should be allowed to mess around with things like marriage.
If you left out your catholic church beliefe against homosexual marriage, what is left against it? No valid argumentation.
Not so. I suggest you read the article I posted in post 389.
Maybe homosexual pairs can't "create" their own children. But there are enough children in the USA (and other countries in the world) who have no family at all. With forbiddance of the homosexual marriage, and the denying of the rights heterosexual peopel have, you TAKE possibilities away.
Children who grow up with only one gender of parent typically don't grow up properly and have problems as they grow older. If everyone lived by Christian values there wouldn't be any problem with unwanted, orphaned, or poor children and that would be a non-issue, so please don't use that argument.
Skip the discussion of "free choice of belief" because it shall not be a discussion of what people beliefe, but of facts.
The only problem with that is that those people believe they are facts...so that can not solve any problems.
And, yes, I even would say this to polygame marriage. If, say, two men are happy sharing one wife... it really can work.
I would definine marriage (in front of the law) as an engangement possible between consenting, living adults.
As stated before:
Neither buildings nor cussions are living, while neither animals nor children are consenting... or adults.
You can define marriage that way, but it is not the way my religion defines marriage. We don't have a flimsy, changeable definition of marriage, because to us that would be like changing the definition of "female"--though that is something that society has changed with the whole trans-gender thing.