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Dunedain said:

That's interesting, I thought hairy hen had used primarily the Definitive Collection laserdisk with some of the 1997 SE laserdisk for the latest version (version 2.0, I guess) of his Star Wars 70mm theatrical soundtrack reconstruction/restoration. Has he switched to an even better more accurate source for his restoration?

I assume when you say DTS-HD MA 5.1 soundtrack you are referring to the Star Wars 70mm reconstruction, since I think that's the only such soundtrack on the V1 Star Wars Blu-ray. But maybe there's more than one DTS-HD MA 5.1 soundtrack on the V2 Star Wars Blu-ray.

 

No, they're referring to the '97 Special Edition Blu-Ray, which will contain the audio from the original theatrical DTS CD ROMs converted to DTS-MA.

To the best of my knowledge, hairy hen's 70 mm reconstruction is built primarily out of the 93 DC LD mix, with bits from other pre-'97 sources to delete the additions, with pretty much the only post-'97 element being the .1 (bass channel) track. I could be wrong about specifics.

Question: How does the theatrical DTS standard differ from the home video incarnation (assuming 1536 kb/s)? How much advantage is gained by presenting it in DTS-MA? Or is it just being done in this manner to avoid any possible transcoding issues?

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StarThoughts said:

Question: How does the theatrical DTS standard differ from the home video incarnation (assuming 1536 kb/s)? How much advantage is gained by presenting it in DTS-MA? Or is it just being done in this manner to avoid any possible transcoding issues?

Since having more than one version of the same answer is redundant TeamBlu will be able to handle this question since only they know how they processed it with the resources available.

 

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Oh, I see, it's the 1997 SE that's being talked about with this particular 5.1 soundtrack, thanks for the info. I bet it will sound great if a real theatrical DTS soundtrack can be used as the source. :)

And yes, I think you're right about the sources hairy hen is using. I think it was the 1997 SE laserdisk that was used as a source for the subwoofer channel. But with this theatrical DTS soundtrack, one would think it would be an even higher quality source for anything from the 1997 SE that might be of use in an original theatrical soundtrack re-construction.

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StarThoughts said:

Question: How does the theatrical DTS standard differ from the home video incarnation (assuming 1536 kb/s)? How much advantage is gained by presenting it in DTS-MA? Or is it just being done in this manner to avoid any possible transcoding issues?

I agree with Jetrell Fo insomuch as that I cannot speak for how TeamBlu are processing their audio, but from a purely factual point of view I can answer this question.

Theatrical DTS is not 1536kbit/s, in fact its not even close. Its encoded at 882kbit/s so that it can fit onto two CD-ROM's (some longer films use three), so its not lossless. It also has a sample rate of 44.1KHz @16-bit compared to DVD's 48KHz@16 or 24-bit sample rate. The audio on the discs is also mastered for cinema, so its very loud compared to a home-media DTS track.

That said, my opinion (having extensively worked on the whole trilogy last year) is that they do sound excellent, certainly better than the 1997 Laserdisc audio and are the best way to experience the '97 SE's.

There is absolutely nothing to lose by encoding them to DTS-HD MA because its backwards compatible with DTS. If the lossless 'extention' is not used, then the DTS-HD file will be the same size as a regular DTS file because thats what the 'core' of a DTS-HD MA audio track is, meaning its backwards compatible with DTS. There are no transcoding issues because the audio can only be extracted directly to WAV before you can do anything with it, so from then on it is 'lossless'.

I'm just looking forward to hearing it all along with the best visual representation possible (even if it is the SE!). I'm sure TeamBlu have done a first-class job, as usual!

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CapableMetal said:

StarThoughts said:

Question: How does the theatrical DTS standard differ from the home video incarnation (assuming 1536 kb/s)? How much advantage is gained by presenting it in DTS-MA? Or is it just being done in this manner to avoid any possible transcoding issues?

I agree with Jetrell Fo insomuch as that I cannot speak for how TeamBlu are processing their audio, but from a purely factual point of view I can answer this question.

Theatrical DTS is not 1536kbit/s, in fact its not even close. Its encoded at 882kbit/s so that it can fit onto two CD-ROM's (some longer films use three), so its not lossless. It also has a sample rate of 44.1KHz @16-bit compared to DVD's 48KHz@16 or 24-bit sample rate. The audio on the discs is also mastered for cinema, so its very loud compared to a home-media DTS track.

That said, my opinion (having extensively worked on the whole trilogy last year) is that they do sound excellent, certainly better than the 1997 Laserdisc audio and are the best way to experience the '97 SE's.

There is absolutely nothing to lose by encoding them to DTS-HD MA because its backwards compatible with DTS. If the lossless 'extention' is not used, then the DTS-HD file will be the same size as a regular DTS file because thats what the 'core' of a DTS-HD MA audio track is, meaning its backwards compatible with DTS. There are no transcoding issues because the audio can only be extracted directly to WAV before you can do anything with it, so from then on it is 'lossless'.

I'm just looking forward to hearing it all along with the best visual representation possible (even if it is the SE!). I'm sure TeamBlu have done a first-class job, as usual!

Thanks Capable .... very understandable explanation.  I too, look forward to the SE's finally having a good visual representation with awesome audio to boot.  I enjoy the SE as a stand alone set.  It deserves proper a preservation. 

Is there any WIP artwork for this set yet?

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I can tell you one thing, and it's that the cinema DTS audio was synched to the films in 24 fps, so we had to change that to 23.976 using eac3to.

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In your opinion, Yoo_Too, how is the audio quality on this mix compared to the DVD's 5.1 and Blu's 6.1?

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Any ETA for this project?

Is it months from completion?

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SW and ANH this year, the rest further down the line - read the previous page.

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m_s0 said:

SW and ANH this year, the rest further down the line - read the previous page.

Thanks :)

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Funcha said:

In your opinion, Yoo_Too, how is the audio quality on this mix compared to the DVD's 5.1 and Blu's 6.1?

I'm really the wrong person to ask, since I don't have a surround system. But I've read lots of people's comments on the newer mixes saying they are too heavy on the bass, so maybe these will sound a bit better?

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Any ETA for this project?

Is it months from completion?

We've only finished SW. Once DJ has released the sideprojects we might start on ESB. And by start, I mean kinda continue where we left off. The scripts are done for both ESB and ROTJ and have been for a long time, but I've had health problems for the last year and a half which has prevented me to work as much as I used to with these projects.

The thing that will take a lot of time is finding the stuff we want to clean up and getting it done. ESB is full of dirt, glue marks and those kinds of things. And the 97 SE's will need synching to the 04 DVDs since that's what DJ bases his audio synch on.

So we'll see, it'll be done when it's done and unfortunately it's taken a long time. You'll at least get to see the first one soon!

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Yea I would really like to have SW 77 and ANH 97 SE out before Christmas but I am not sure if it will happen or not, also have about 4 or so non SW releases I would like to get out soon, we have some easier ones before we get to work on what we call our "Special Editions" which will take up more time, we will try but I cannot promise anything, I just don't know.

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OK Everyone I have some pretty exciting news, I have just received the authoring package for ANH 97 SE and I have authored it up and have my test BD in hand and am about to fire up the Home Theater and give it a whirl, so fingers crossed all is good and then we will move onto SW 77!

By the way for all you following our non SW stuff The White Buffalo and Sheena will be done real soon as well, then on to ROTLD 2&3.

OH and Maximum Overdrive!

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dark_jedi said:

OK Everyone I have some pretty exciting news, I have just received the authoring package for ANH 97 SE and I have authored it up and have my test BD in hand and am about to fire up the Home Theater and give it a whirl, so fingers crossed all is good and then we will move onto SW 77!

By the way for all you following our non SW stuff The White Buffalo and Sheena will be done real soon as well, then on to ROTLD 2&3.

OH and Maximum Overdrive!

Awesome!

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Thanks for the update. Hope all goes well.

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Too bad the VCD versions of the SE couldn't be used for sync purposes.  I am excited still.

:)

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I just want to say that this looks like an incredible effort. My hat's off to everyone involved in this. Incredible.

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Us3rN4m3 said:

My hats off to everyone involved in this.

Just curious, do you have multiple heads, or do you wear more than one hat at a time?

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What's wrong with wearing (and taking off) several hats in succession? There's no rush, the BD isn't even out yet.

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I cannot begin to describe how excited I am about this upcoming high-def release of the original theatrical cuts, the real deal!

I am incredibly grateful to dark_jedi and everybody else involved in this, and to this site as well. Hopefully this release comes out by New Year, so we can all enjoy these legendary films the way they are supposed to be enjoyed.

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Release date has passed with  no release of SE... ?

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dickalan said:

Release date has passed with  no release of SE... ?

 No.  *swats with news paper* No.  Bad.  We don't do that in here.  

They will get it released when it is done.  This project has been a long time coming.   Patience, young padawan.  

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dickalan said:

Release date has passed with  no release of SE... ?

Reading posts thoroughly can reveal much .....

:)

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True, but we would have missed out on the hilarious bad puppy post after it.