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I should clarify the workprint I once had was clearly a bootleg of a tape made for internal studio use. I presume that sort of thing leaked out and circulated amongst hardcore Disney fans.

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Where were you in '77?

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monks, what SilverWook is referring to is that workprints to quite a few of the Renaissance-era features were leaked into the VHS trading market in the 90s. Some of them have been ripped and shared in the past (late 00s/early 10s), but the torrents and links are all dead/deleted/expired now.

Now the only way to obtain them seems to be through trading. Perhaps someone can rectify that...

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Quite possible, look at The Sweatbox... But yeah what a shame...

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Regarding Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, they have shown the episode From All of Us to All of You from the TV-series The Wonderful World of Disney from 1958 on Swedish TV every Christmas since 1960, the TV-special includes shorter clips from features such as:

Santa's Workshop

Cinderella

Lady and the Tramp

Peter Pan

Pinocchio

and Snow White, where it's the sequence with "The Silly Song." This special has seen several updates in terms of content through the years but due to the huge Christmas tradition this program has become here in Sweden (still around three million viewers every year, and I guess everyone with a TV was watching it back in the day when we only had one or two channels) it has largely been left alone since '82. A couple of the features in it has the original swedish dubs intact that has never been released on home video.

The dub on Snow White is unfortunately not the original swedish one, so I guess this TV-master can be dated back to '82 or '83 when the film received a new dub for the theatrical re-release here in Sweden. But I guess the color timing and animation work could be of interest as it predates the butchering on homevideo, am I right? Maybe this TV-special has seen a homevideo release?

An interesting sidenote, Walt Disney officially said that the then only 14 year old Tatjana Angelini who gave her voice to Snow White in the original 1938 swedish dub was his favorite voice of all incarnations of Snow White, even favoring her voice over the original American Adriana Caselotti's dub! I don't know if I agree but he was apparently pretty invested and hands-on with all dubbing work for their films back in the day. But I guess things like that doesn't matter any longer with the companys obsession nowadays with redubbing every track and remixing them to 5.1 or 7.1. As I know there are a few swedes around here, someone has posted a few clips on youtube with the original swedish dub, taken from a 70's print (unfortunately, only the audio is from the print):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR7l6P8qXr0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hra5T0Zwy5E

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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As I will probably release my BATB preservation project in the next weeks, if I must lower brightness, or something else to improve colors/brightness/contrast, it will be helpful if someone could post here his tips. Thanks in advance!

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That depends of which editing software do you use.

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I use avisynth and virtualdub - mainly to play avisynth script.

I need some reference - don't matter if it's too compressed/misses parts/redrawn backgrounds etc. - it should have good contrast/brightness/contrast.

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I'm afraid that you're on your own on this. Trust your guts. Unless one us find an original print, the LD is the closest reference avalaible.

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What a shame for a 35 mm film print to get butchered like this...

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msycamore said:

The dub on Snow White is unfortunately not the original swedish one, so I guess this TV-master can be dated back to '82 or '83 when the film received a new dub for the theatrical re-release here in Sweden. But I guess the color timing and animation work could be of interest as it predates the butchering on homevideo, am I right? Maybe this TV-special has seen a homevideo release?

An interesting sidenote, Walt Disney officially said that the then only 14 year old Tatjana Angelini who gave her voice to Snow White in the original 1938 swedish dub was his favorite voice of all incarnations of Snow White, even favoring her voice over the original American Adriana Caselotti's dub! I don't know if I agree but he was apparently pretty invested and hands-on with all dubbing work for their films back in the day. But I guess things like that doesn't matter any longer with the companys obsession nowadays with redubbing every track and remixing them to 5.1 or 7.1. As I know there are a few swedes around here, someone has posted a few clips on youtube with the original swedish dub, taken from a 70's print (unfortunately, only the audio is from the print):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR7l6P8qXr0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hra5T0Zwy5E

 I've seen the samples and I gotta say, while the voice-acting was mediocre at best (although I might be a little too familiar with the redub, but none the less), I'd really like see some kind of preservation of the entire movie with the original Swedish dub, just for completeness.

Currently enjoying Disney Infinity 3.0

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 I've seen the samples and I gotta say, while the voice-acting was mediocre at best (although I might be a little too familiar with the redub, but none the less), I'd really like see some kind of preservation of the entire movie with the original Swedish dub, just for completeness.

Same thing for the original french dub of BATB which is only avalaible with the first vhs edition and this french (PAL) LD edition: http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/32562/22/1325/Belle-et-la-b%C3%AAte-La-%281991%29

Originally, the dubbing was re-done because Dinsney France didn't wanted to pay some original french actors/actress that were still under paid contract, and not just for that movie. One of the actress sue them and won. In some sort of revange thought, Disney France (and probably Buena Vista, the head Disney corporation) did redub all the films to avoid to pay more royalties to artists under active contracts that did their job between the late 50's to the mid 90's. There were, of course, other reasons for the redubs (keep it young & fresh for the target foreign audience) but the biggest one was because of the royalties. This problem occured in all counties were the films were redubs (not just BATB). Since then, every time that people are asking what happened to the older dubs and why aren't they avalaible while it could be a good elements money worth, they always give an evasive answer (lost elements, too old to be used, etc). Funny that some of them were re-used during some of the first vhs/LD releases or can be found on prints selled on grey market or interned and shared among fans. So yeah, wecome aboard the Disney corp. hating ship...

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Some small updates to the list.

Acceptable Alternative Cinderella was slightly reworded to make clear that the ink lines are damaged in the newest releases.  I've completely dismissed other releases for their very existence.  Cinderella get a pass in this case only because there are no other digital versions available.  (A bit like Snow White.)

The Great Mouse Detective has further explanation why the newest release ISN'T an acceptable alternative for the very same reason (although possibly worse in this case because xerography produced animations seem to take more damage from the process).  Do you guys think the slightly corrected AR and original title card are a reasonable trade off to this?

Pocahontas now has an explanation regarding the reinstatement of "If I Never Knew You".  I don't consider it a shoe horned in addition like "Human Again" or "Morning Report", but a reinserted deleted scene.  I recommend watching the film with it and since the DVD has seamless branching there is no reason not to own that version unless you know you'll never want to watch it.

Dr. M

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I am curious, I see that neither of these BD's were mentioned on the first page on these 2 titles, Aladdin and The Jungle Book, so how do these compare to what is the "recommended" editions? these 2 BD's look and sound pretty damn good to me, so just curious where these 2 stack up is all.

Thanks

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There is no official U.S. release of Aladdin on BD.  I have seen screenshots of a Euro release and it looks pretty much identical to the Platinum Edition (except of course HD and with AR changes (some more cropping in some places, less in others)).

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?s=576da8101a32b32c59a4fa0a9001358f&p=7264327&postcount=197

Coming from CAPS they probably just redumped the IMAX digital image to BD.  I really don't expect there to be much difference.  I doubt we'll see a return to the theatrical version, and unless they decide to go 3D I don't think we'll see any additional changes.

The Jungle Book diamond edition has a February 11 release date.  I'll research that when the reviews come out.  Being xerography era, I don't expect it to look very good, but you never know.

Dr. M

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OK thanks DrM, but I have the UK Zavvi Jungle Book Blu-ray SteelBook(as well as Aladdin) and I think it looks pretty good myself, but we will see what the US version looks like later.

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A sort of rule of thumb, if you are looking for HD versions, anything dating from the Little Mermaid and newer, the official versions are the best you'll find (for what that's worth), and anything older you'd want to look for HDTV versions on the newsgroups or torrents sites.

HDTV broadcasts typically aren't "restored" which is where Disney has been going wrong.
That said, I haven't come across an old iTunes or HDTV rip of Jungle Book.

Dr. M

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Any other HDTV Disney that are worth mentionning (aside of Aladdin & Who framed Roger Rabbit) ? Maybe we shoud start a list with a short explanation for them ? Could be helpfull

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monks19 said:

Any other HDTV Disney that are worth mentionning (aside of Aladdin & Who framed Roger Rabbit) ? Maybe we shoud start a list with a short explanation for them ? Could be helpfull

The Sword in the Stone (1963)

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AntcuFaalb said:

The Sword in the Stone (1963)

 Love to see that unaltered.

“Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels.”

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With regards to BATB, I think the solution may have arrived from Disney, no less.

The work-in-progress version on the BD, from what I could see, is definitely film sourced, and appears very dark indeed.

It is not branched with the special edition, but is on a different file.

I'll be sending a rip to Andrea so that he could compromise on the brightness settings for his project, as the brightness setting on this print is meant for the cinemas and not for home viewing.

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nirbateman said:

With regards to BATB, I think the solution may have arrived from Disney, no less.

The work-in-progress version on the BD, from what I could see, is definitely film sourced, and appears very dark indeed.

It is not branched with the special edition, but is on a different file.

I'll be sending a rip to Andrea so that he could compromise on the brightness settings for his project, as the brightness setting on this print is meant for the cinemas and not for home viewing.

 What to do for the footage that's still in pencil there? 

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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 What to do for the footage that's still in pencil there? 

 Obviously, the SD file can't be used as it is, but it can be used as a reference for the brightness setting.

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MattMahdi said:

AntcuFaalb said:

The Sword in the Stone (1963)

 Love to see that unaltered.

 The 45th Anniversary DVD is still quite good.  The sparse nature of the animation in this film doesn't allow for a huge benefit to HD.

My recommended HD version of Sword in the Stone is still the delogoed 720p HDTV DD5.1 x264-Don version.  It has the 5.1 audio track, but it's not an offensive mix by any stretch.

There were a half dozen posts on TehParadox although none seem to have good links anymore.  You could probably ask for some fresh links, google around, or try to get an account at HDBits.

@nirbateman - Where did you get a BD of the BatB WiP?  I thought that didn't exist.

Dr. M