MrBrown said:
RicOlie_2 said:
...Islam: Despite what many insist, Islam is certainly not a religion of peace and this is apparent from the Qur'an. I believe in peace (though I think war is necessary sometimes), thus I cannot maintain the ideals of this religion.
...You are aware that much from the Qur'an is taken from the bible?
And regarding this point the bible is as bloody and bloodthirsty as the Qur'an. With both books, it is often more a question of the interpreting priests.
A lot taken from the Bible is warped into a different story or the stories are drawn from different traditions (the latter being just a guess based on what I have read in the Qur'an). A new law of love and peace was given by Christ, so only the Old Testament contains the comparatively violent religion of the Jews/Israelites which was largely due to the way the world was at the time. Their violent behaviour was entirely normal back then. Muslims, at least according to the Qur'an, are still required to kill non-believers.
Also I may add, that inquisition, witch hunting, holy war, and purge the pagan was a catholic invention. Just to mention "Massacre de la Saint-Barthélemy" Night of August the 23rd to August 24th 1572.
None of which would have been anything but appalling to the members of the early Church. None of those were right, none of those are in accordance with the Catholic religion. Holy wars and massacres are not only allowed in the Qur'an, but are also required.
Oh, not that you think I pick on you, but you seem to be very interesting to discuss with, because, we have both very different sighty, but I would say that we do our best not to insult, but to debate reasons and beliefs.
No worries, I don't feel picked on and I enjoy debating. :)
Personally I am not very religious, so I won'T call anything "god". I would argue, that the things atheists call morality is indeed the same thing as the point poeple of a belief see their god. It is the inner voice wich telling somebody if he is "wrong" or "right".
That has truth in it, but of course I believe that our conscience comes from God, not vice versa.
I really beliefe that Earth with its live on it is just a coincidence, and that we are only a little bit of dust in the whole existence of all. I don't dare to beliefe that we are the most intelligent beeings, also not the most reasonable.
Though I believe our existence was planned from the beginning, I don't believe we are the most intelligent or reasonable beings. I believe the angels are both more intelligent and more reasonable, and of course that God is infinitely intelligent and reasonable.