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Author: TM2YC
Time: 21-Dec-2013 3:42 PM
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TV's Frink said:

In the span of two days, New Mexico legalized gay marriage and Utah's anti-gay marriage law was ruled unconstitutional. More and more people have come to accept gay marriage. I don't think we are far away from this going national.

Unless they're in the Russian government that is. How Russia chooses to deal with the inevitable protests at the Winter Olympics next year will make interesting viewing.

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Author: Jetrell Fo
Time: 21-Dec-2013 7:58 PM
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Ryan McAvoy said:

TV's Frink said:

In the span of two days, New Mexico legalized gay marriage and Utah's anti-gay marriage law was ruled unconstitutional. More and more people have come to accept gay marriage. I don't think we are far away from this going national.

Unless they're in the Russian government that is. How Russia chooses to deal with the inevitable protests at the Winter Olympics next year will make interesting viewing.

Maybe that Russian band Pussy Riot will finally get a record contract.

Author: thejediknighthusezni
Time: 21-Dec-2013 9:40 PM
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Gotta love those vastly superior, enlightened souls(no, seriously, ya GOTTA love 'em.)

Putin is a dictator, but he has to play to an audience comprising a great swath of the Russian population. What has been the experiences of these people? Totalitarianism is founded upon rape and violation of the masses in the worst ways possible. The original "revolutionaries" tend to be vicious thugs, heads filled with dreams doing whatever they choose, come the takeover. Once in power, the elite and connected and protected DO do as they please. They violate and exploit the people and their sons, daughters, sisters, brothers, neices, nephews, grandchildren....

Of course, it would be outrageous to disturb the advanced consciences of this country with such meaningless considerations. They are too busy fighting the ultimate evil of neanderthal parents who aren't anxious to hand over total control of their children to those entitled to teach them the true nature of progress.

Author: TM2YC
Time: 22-Dec-2013 1:57 AM (Edited)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8WmvMCTW_g

;-)

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Author: Mrebo
Time: 22-Dec-2013 2:45 PM
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TV's Frink said:

In the span of two days, New Mexico legalized gay marriage and Utah's anti-gay marriage law was ruled unconstitutional. More and more people have come to accept gay marriage. I don't think we are far away from this going national.

A federal judge in Utah also struck down part of the anti-polygamy law.

There is a difference though between judges declaring it must be so, and people accepting it. But I do think many people will accept it in due course. And as with the whole Duck Dynasty thing, those who do not will be shunned (though the Duck Dynasty dude has actually been getting a lot of support, even from some members of the 'gay community').

The blue elephant in the room.

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 22-Dec-2013 3:05 PM
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What are those in the gay community that support him saying?

Author: Mrebo
Time: 22-Dec-2013 3:12 PM (Edited)
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I've seen various names pop up, couple more recognizable ones are Andrew Sullivan and Harvey Levin. Maybe they don't have management positions in the gay community (though Sullivan was a supporter of gay marriage before much of the gay community).

Sullivan says:

But look: I come back to what I said at the beginning. Robertson is a character in a reality show. He’s not a spokesman for A&E any more than some soul-sucking social x-ray from the Real Housewives series is a spokeswoman for Bravo. Is he being fired for being out of character? Nah. He’s being fired for staying in character – a character A&E have nurtured and promoted and benefited from. Turning around and demanding a Duck Dynasty star suddenly become the equivalent of a Rachel Maddow guest is preposterous and unfair.

Levin says:

I'm gay and I don't agree with Phil, but he has a right to his believes...it's not hate-based...it's religious...misdirected, but his right

The blue elephant in the room.

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 22-Dec-2013 3:13 PM
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I don't care who so much as what...which is why I asked what, not who. :p

Author: Mrebo
Time: 22-Dec-2013 3:17 PM (Edited)
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What are you talking about? It's right there in blue and white.

The blue elephant in the room.

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 22-Dec-2013 3:24 PM
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Ok, so they aren't supporting him as much as taking A&E and religion to task.

Author: EyeShotFirst
Time: 22-Dec-2013 3:39 PM
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Like I've said many times. Tolerance is a double-edged sword. If you want the Christian community to tolerate the gay community, you've got to tolerate that most Christians believe the act of gay sex to be wrong.

If the guy would've been talking genocide and hate, then we'd have a legit reason to carry the guy out on a post. Even if what you are doing is considered bad by some, if it is not hurting anybody, I support every Americans right to do what they want, sin or not.

I think a lot of people like Phil Robertson, because it's something that speaks to them as Christians. To them, it's like having The Waltons and Hee Haw again. Do I think it gets a little conservative at times? Sure, but I think for the most part, television is extremely liberal. This all coming from an outsider to political parties.

A&E were foolish to think that Christian/Conservative people that don't care what anybody thinks, wouldn't say anything that might offend somebody. I'd hate to see what happened if some of the people I used to run around with got famous and had an interview.

You don't see Matt and Trey, or Seth MacFarlane getting suspended for offending people. It's all a matter of money. A&E saw that as something that would lose them a lot of money.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

Author: Mrebo
Time: 22-Dec-2013 3:41 PM
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Well they could take A&E to task for giving him a platform to begin with, but they're not doing that. But yes, they're defending Robertson's right to express himself, even if they don't like the content against A&E's ham-handed attempts to silence him. As background, A&E previously cut out references to Jesus when prayers were said and an A&E representative was present at the controversy-inspiring interview (and said/did nothing). There are suggestions that A&E has always been uncomfortable with the notion that people would relate to the family and their conservative/religious views and is doing what it can to keep them in line and suppress those qualities.

I don't watch the show but agree with the defenses that Robertson should be able to be authentic. Compared to other TV shows, his expression was nothing to get worked up about.

The blue elephant in the room.

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 22-Dec-2013 4:10 PM (Edited)
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EyeShotFirst said:

You don't see Matt and Trey, or Seth MacFarlane getting suspended for offending people. It's all a matter of money. A&E saw that as something that would lose them a lot of money.

To be fair to A&E, profit is supposed to be their first motivation, being a business and all.

Author: EyeShotFirst
Time: 22-Dec-2013 5:00 PM
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TV's Frink said:

EyeShotFirst said:

You don't see Matt and Trey, or Seth MacFarlane getting suspended for offending people. It's all a matter of money. A&E saw that as something that would lose them a lot of money.

To be fair to A&E, profit is supposed to be their first motivation, being a business and all.

It really shows ignorance as to who their fan base is. I'm fairly certain every Duck Dynasty fan knew what their views were before hand.

Family Guy and South Park don't bother their viewers, because they know what they are getting into. It's the same with Duck Dynasty.

Author: Mrebo
Time: 22-Dec-2013 9:20 PM
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TV's Frink said:

EyeShotFirst said:

You don't see Matt and Trey, or Seth MacFarlane getting suspended for offending people. It's all a matter of money. A&E saw that as something that would lose them a lot of money.

To be fair to A&E, profit is supposed to be their first motivation, being a business and all.

True. But I do think it is a knee-jerk reaction at this point when a comment concerns homosexuality. Like EyeShotFirst says, the audience knows what they're getting (and they apparently like it). And this thread has lost its sex appeal!

The blue elephant in the room.

Author: RicOlie_2
Time: 23-Dec-2013 1:09 PM
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http://thechristians.com/?q=node/982&utm_source=theChristians.com+Subscribers&utm_campaign=94a3b56628-TCH-Issue0182-WS&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ce469a7d32-94a3b56628-61075577

I'm not giving any opinions or anything on this--just providing another topic of discussion.

Author: Warbler
Time: 23-Dec-2013 2:15 PM (Edited)
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Nowhere in that article does it say why gays should not have the legal right to marry. In addition, it would have been nice to expand on this:

"In the 1990s, I watched many gay men who had become surrogate father and surrogate mother figures to me die. One by one, repeating the tragedy of my mother, they disappeared. They were all alone except, in many cases, for me. The gay community treated them with shame"

Just what did these people people that earned the shame of the gay community? I don't get it.

As for his complaints about not having a father, I'd like to know more about happened. Just how did his gay mother and/or the gay community and/or the fight for gay marriage prevent his father from being around?

While the writer's study may be able to argue the straight couples on the average make better parents does it really argue the gay couples on the average make bad parents? In addition I'd like to see some comparison of gay parents to situations where there is only one parent.

Author: Warbler
Time: 23-Dec-2013 2:20 PM (Edited)
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EyeShotFirst said:

Like I've said many times. Tolerance is a double-edged sword. If you want the Christian community to tolerate the gay community, you've got to tolerate that most Christians believe the act of gay sex to be wrong.

I agree with this sentiment, but I don't think A&E's problem with Roberson was that he said the homosexuality is sin, but that he compared it to bestiality.

But I do think the situation shows what Ender was talking about before:

talk disrespectfully about homosexuals and you get fired

talk disrespectfully about Christianity and that is perfectly ok, no big deal.

I can't tell you the numbers times I've heard people on tv talk just as bad about Christianity as Robertson did homosexuality and no one had any trouble with it whatsoever.

Author: RicOlie_2
Time: 23-Dec-2013 2:37 PM
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Warbler said:

EyeShotFirst said:

Like I've said many times. Tolerance is a double-edged sword. If you want the Christian community to tolerate the gay community, you've got to tolerate that most Christians believe the act of gay sex to be wrong.

I agree with this sentiment, but I don't think A&E's problem with Roberson was that he said the homosexuality is sin, but that he compared it to bestiality.

But I do think the situation shows what Ender was talking about before:

talk disrespectfully about homosexuals and you get fired

talk disrespectfully about Christianity and that is perfectly ok, no big deal.

I can't tell you the numbers times I've heard people on tv talk just as bad about Christianity as Robertson did homosexuality and no one had any trouble with it whatsoever.

I agree. People seem to be able to get away with Christian or Christianity bashing, but when the Christians start saying that homosexual acts are wrong, then there's trouble. Not without exception, of course, but why is it OK to insult Christians but not to say that homosexual sex and marriage is wrong?

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 23-Dec-2013 3:16 PM
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The majority side whining about "bashing" is the ultimate first world problem.

Author: DuracellEnergizer
Time: 23-Dec-2013 4:01 PM
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This must be the longest running thread I've ever created. I don't know if I should feel proud or not.

Author: Warbler
Time: 23-Dec-2013 4:02 PM (Edited)
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TV's Frink said:

The majority side whining about "bashing" is the ultimate first world problem.

huh?

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 23-Dec-2013 4:05 PM
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DuracellEnergizer said:

This must be the longest running thread I've ever created. I don't know if I should feel proud or not.

Of course you should feel proud, it's your thread and it was born this way. ;-)

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 23-Dec-2013 4:06 PM
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Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

The majority side whining about "bashing" is the ultimate first world problem.

huh?

Which part don't you understand?

Author: RicOlie_2
Time: 23-Dec-2013 4:17 PM
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The gay marriage laws coming into play seem to indicate that we are either no longer in the majority, or at least becoming part of the minority anyway.