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Idea: About De-SEizing the DVDs... We need to Vote on Changes!

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As you all know, we’ve heard lots of talk around here about messing with the official SE DVDs and using as much of them as source for a super -duper-OOT DVD.
As in use DVD footage, pluggin in Laserdisc footage where necessary.
Now this leaves us with an exciting oppurtunity to not only preserve the Original Versions, but to create the ultimate hybrid.
Featuring only changes that we the fans dub as A-OK. So what I propose is that we take up a vote on EVERY single change made, and use that as a basis for creating the “OT/SE Hybrid” to fit alongside the complete O-OT.
(In a sense, what the 'Special Edition’s should have been all along)

So I am going to number off every change made. You can either vote yes or no for each one.

  1. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/lucasfil.JPG (This is the opening logos. Original or shiney logos?)

  2. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/riverbed.JPG (Digitally darkened sky)

  3. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sancrDark.jpg (Ditto)

  4. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dewback.JPG (Digital Dewbacks and such)

  5. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sandcraw.JPG (alternate shot of the sandcrawler, this time closer to the camera)

  6. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/landspdr.JPG (digitally touching up the landspeeder)

  7. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/benhouse.JPG (different shot of Obi-Wan’s hut)

  8. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/speeder2.jpg (more landspeeder touchups)

  9. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mosEisLong.jpg (Barley different at all, shot of Mos Eisley)

  10. http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-MosEisleyEnter04.jpg (Digital speeder)

  11. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/longmose.JPG (several new shots of Mos Eisley, and alterations made to existing shots)

  12. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dewBar.jpg (Digital dewback now “barks” as the gang enters the Cantina)

  13. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/hatGuy.jpg (Wolfman replaced with reptile thing)

  14. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/informnt.jpg (Digital dewback added behind stromtroopers, with another dismounting)

  15. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/betyouhave.jpg (Greedo now shoots first)

  16. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/door2doo.jpg (Digital droid accompanies troopers from door to door)

  17. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sell.jpg (digital swooping doorway and air traffic)

  18. http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-HanJabba04.jpg (This does NOT mean to vote for if Jabba is better than teh '97 version. This vote is for the scene at all.)

  19. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfleave1.JPG (digital shot of the Falcon taking flight)

http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfleave2.JPG (Falcon now “arches” out of frame)

  1. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/alderaan.jpg (new Alderann explosion, with “ring”)

  2. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/deadEnd.jpg (the room of troopers Han runs into is now extended by about 100 troops, and even a TIE fighter)

  3. http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-Corridor04.jpg (new forced perspective shot of the hallway)

  4. http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/DSCorridor04.jpg (more hallway modifications)

  5. http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/GarbageCreature04.jpg (new garbage creature)

  6. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/magnum.jpg (messing with Leia’s blaster sounds)

  7. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/blastdoor.jpg (re-added the “close the blast doors” line)

  8. http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-VaderObiFight104.jpg (lightsabers updated to look like the prequels)

  9. http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-ObiSaber04.jpg (corrected Obi-Wan’s fading saber)

  10. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfexitds.JPG (New “blast” as the Falcon departs the Death Star)

  11. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/targetCm.jpg (more sounds added to the controls)

  12. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfYavin.jpg (Digital Falcon approaches Yavin)

  13. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/yavinMF.jpg (Falcon added to the foreground, landing)

  14. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/massaii.jpg (different temple)

  15. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/lukeBiggs.jpg (conversation with Biggs added)

  16. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/leaveyav.JPG (different shot of Xwings replacing the old, “sparkles”)

  17. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/xwingsCG.jpg (different Death Star approach shot)

  18. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sfoils.jpg (simple, whole Battle of Yavin. original, or special)

  19. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dsExplode.jpg (ring added to the Death Star explosion)

  20. http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/award.jpg (cardboard people replaced with real people)

NO PICS I COULD FIND

  1. Luke’s new saber. said to turn green at odd times.

  2. Tractor beam text replaced with Aurebesh.

I’ll post ESB later. This took me a while to post, and I’ll give you all time to look ANH over before I post ESB and ROTJ.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I'm not sure this voting thing'll work, but...

1. Shiney
2. No darkened sky
3. Again, no
4. No digital Dewbacks
5. No new Sandcrawler
6. No touched up Landspeeder
7. No new Obi-Wan hut shot
8. No Landspeeder touchups
9. No enhanced Mos Eisley shot
10. No digital speeder
11. No new Mos Eisley
12. No barking Dewback
13. Bring back the wolfman
14. Now new Dewbacks
15. Han shoots first
16. No digital droid
17. No digital air traffic
18. Remove the Jabba scene
19. No digital Falcon
20. No arching Falcon
21. No Praxis ring or new explosion
22. Umm...no
23. No
24. No, a hallway's a hallway
25. No, the old Dianoga kicked ass
26. No, a blaster sound's a blaster sound
27. I don't know. If it was in the original theatrical release, YES
28. No
29. No
30. No
31. No
32. No
33. No
34. No
35. Yes, but only in its entirety
36. No
37. No
38. original
39. No
40. No
41. Just leave it alone
42. No
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1) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/lucasfil.JPG (This is the opening logos. Original or shiney logos?)
Possibly, new Fox logo and old Lucasfilm logo (possibly redrawn).

2) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/riverbed.JPG (Digitally darkened sky)
Neutral.

3) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sancrDark.jpg (Ditto)
Neutral.

4) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dewback.JPG (Digital Dewbacks and such)
Kindasorta. Cut the beginning of the new part but keep the one digital one moving around during the old part of the scene.

5) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sandcraw.JPG (alternate shot of the sandcrawler, this time closer to the camera)
Neutral.

6) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/landspdr.JPG (digitally touching up the landspeeder)
New.

7) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/benhouse.JPG (different shot of Obi-Wan's hut)
Old.

8) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/speeder2.jpg (more landspeeder touchups)
New.

9) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mosEisLong.jpg (Barley different at all, shot of Mos Eisley)
Neutral.

10) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-MosEisleyEnter04.jpg (Digital speeder)
Old.

11) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/longmose.JPG (several new shots of Mos Eisley, and alterations made to existing shots)
Old.

12) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dewBar.jpg (Digital dewback now "barks" as the gang enters the Cantina)
Neutral.

13) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/hatGuy.jpg (Wolfman replaced with reptile thing)
Old.

14) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/informnt.jpg (Digital dewback added behind stromtroopers, with another dismounting)
Favoring new.

15) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/betyouhave.jpg (Greedo now shoots first)
Old; this could be achieved from the new footage with a small snip, though.

16) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/door2doo.jpg (Digital droid accompanies troopers from door to door)
Neutral.

17) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sell.jpg (digital swooping doorway and air traffic)
Old.

18) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-HanJabba04.jpg (This does NOT mean to vote for if Jabba is better than teh '97 version. This vote is for the scene at all.)
Delete.

19) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfleave1.JPG (digital shot of the Falcon taking flight)
Neutral.

20)
http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfleave2.JPG (Falcon now "arches" out of frame)
Neutral.

21) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/alderaan.jpg (new Alderann explosion, with "ring")
Neutral.

22) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/deadEnd.jpg (the room of troopers Han runs into is now extended by about 100 troops, and even a TIE fighter)
Old.

23) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-Corridor04.jpg (new forced perspective shot of the hallway)
Neutral.

24) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/DSCorridor04.jpg (more hallway modifications)
Neutral.

25) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/GarbageCreature04.jpg (new garbage creature)
Neutral.

26) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/magnum.jpg (messing with Leia's blaster sounds)
Old.

27) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/blastdoor.jpg (re-added the "close the blast doors" line)
Keep.

28) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-VaderObiFight104.jpg (lightsabers updated to look like the prequels)
Reject.

29) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-ObiSaber04.jpg (corrected Obi-Wan's fading saber)
Keep.

30) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfexitds.JPG (New "blast" as the Falcon departs the Death Star)
Neutral.

31) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/targetCm.jpg (more sounds added to the controls)
Neutral.

32) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfYavin.jpg (Digital Falcon approaches Yavin)
Neutral.

33) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/yavinMF.jpg (Falcon added to the foreground, landing)
Neutral.

34) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/massaii.jpg (different temple)
Neutral.

35) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/lukeBiggs.jpg (conversation with Biggs added)
Keep.

36) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/leaveyav.JPG (different shot of Xwings replacing the old, "sparkles")
Neutral.

37) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/xwingsCG.jpg (different Death Star approach shot)
Neutral.

38) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sfoils.jpg (simple, whole Battle of Yavin. original, or special)
Favoring new, or mixed.

39) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dsExplode.jpg (ring added to the Death Star explosion)
Old, probably.

40) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/award.jpg (cardboard people replaced with real people)
New.

41) Luke's new saber. said to turn green at odd times.
Fix to blue.

42) Tractor beam text replaced with Aurebesh.
Reject.

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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1. Shiney
2. No darkened sky
3. Again, no
4. Im ok with these Dewbacks
5. Im ok with this shot of the Sandcrawler
6. No touched up Landspeeder
7. No new Obi-Wan hut shot
8. No Landspeeder touchups
9. No enhanced Mos Eisley shot
10. No digital speeder
11. No new Mos Eisley
12. No barking Dewback
13. Bring back the wolfman
14. No new Dewbacks
15. Han shoots first!!!
16. No digital droid
17. No digital air traffic
18. Remove the Jabba scene - DEFINITELY REMOVE, COMPLETELY
19. I dont mind this shot of the Falcon, I think its neat
20. No arching Falcon
21. I dont mind the explosions, but if it came to a vote, id vote KEEP THE OLD ONES.
22. I think this isnt very important, I like the TIE
23. No
24. No, a hallway's a hallway
25. No, maintain the old creature, and old colors
26. Leave the old
27. Keep this bit, it was in the OTR
28. NO, KEEP THE OLD ONES (except see below)
29. I dont mind this so much, when the shot is looking down the lightsaber it looks real weird, so the change is ok.
30. No
31. I dont mind this one
32. No
33. No
34. No
35. Yes, but only in its entirety - I agree
36. No
37. No
38. original - second this, KEEP ORIGINAL
39. No
40. I like the real people better
41. Obviously we need the OTR scene here, no "force ripples effecting the crystals in his lightsaber, etc" (thanks to the asshat starwars.com fanboys for that one (see the thread for laughs)
42. I dont think this is a very big deal, the only problem is you have to change the clock too for the Yavin approach - since we cant do that, I say leave the old and keep it consistent.

Thanks to Darth Justin for something I can copy/paste without pics, that was a big post anyways. Hal this is a great idea, I hope we really get a quality version out of this. Im awaiting the ESB changes.

ONE NOTE - we might want to stipulate that we have the old discussion between Tarkin and Leia, since the DVD versions have a weird audio level drop off, problem. Aside from that, this looks like a great list.
"You don't own space, so stop actin' like you do."
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Ok, here we go:

1. Shiney
2. Darkened
3. Darkened
4. No digital Dewbacks
5. Closer to camera
6. Digitall touchup
7. Old shot of Obis hut
8. Digitall touchup
9. New shot of Mos Eisley
10. Old speeder entrance
11. No CG in Mos Eisley
12. No digital Dewback
13. Reptile thing, never liked the Wolfman
14. No digital Dewback
15. Han shots first
16. No digital droid
17. No new dorway
18. GET RID OF JABBA
19. No digital Falcon
20. Arching Falcon
21. Old explosion
22. Since its a bad bluescreen composition, the old one with just a bunch of stormies.
23. New Hallway
24. New Hallway
25. Old Dianoga
26. New blaster sounds, it used to sound like Colt 45
27. Keep "Close the blast doors!"
28. Keep new sabers
29. Same
30. Keep the new blast
31. Keep the sounds
32. No digital Falcon
33. Keep
34. Old temple
35. Keep Biggs, it gives more weight to his death
36. The old models please
37. Old models
38. Original battle
39. No ring for the explosion
40. Keep real people
41. Fix to blue (Iam sure Magnolia Fan can handle this )
42. Aurebesh









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This thread is meant to be suggestions for whoever attempts to do this in the future, to be made avialable to us.

Here's my vote:

1) Original
2) SE
3) SE
4) Original
5) SE
6) SE
7) Original
8) SE
9) Don't have the slightest preferene at all
10) SE
11) Original
12) Original
13) Original
14) SE
15) Original
16) SE
17) SE
18) Original
19) SE
20) Se
21) Original
22) Original
23) SE
24) SE
25) Original
26) Original
27) SE
28) Original
29) SE
30) SE
31) Original
32) SE
33) SE
34) Original
35) Original
36) Original
37) Original
38) Original
39) Original
40) SE
41) Original
42) Original

My stance on revising fan edits.

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As you can tell by my votes, I tend to be more pro-SE than most on this board.

1. Shiny
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Cut the extended beginning, but keep the updated original scene
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. No
8. Yes
9. Yes
10. Yes
11. Cut the extended scenes, but keep the updated original scenes
12. Yes
13. No
14. Yes
15. No
16. Yes
17. Yes
18. No
19. Yes
20. Yes
21. Remove the Praxis-ring (works for Death Stars, not for planets), but keep the rest of updated explosion
22. Yes
23. Yes
24. Yes
25. Yes
26. No
27. Yes
28. Yes
29. Yes
30. Yes
31. Yes
32. Yes
33. Yes
34. Yes
35. Yes, and include ALL of it
36. Yes
37. Yes
38. Yes
39. Yes
40. Yes
41. This was NOT fixed right. SOMEONE PLEASE fix it correctly.
42. No

I'm sure a lot of my support for the SE will get shot down, but it'll be an interesting edit regardless. I'm most interested to get MagnoliaFan's opinion on this so we can get an idea of what his final saga will look like.
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I fully expect Mag has much more far reaching edits than merely the additions that have been made to the film. I expect we'll see the trimming of dialogue, possibly new effects for certain scenes if he can swing it, and other tweeks to bring the entire saga closer to a cohesive whole. Remember, Mag is trying to make a Saga to be watched in chronological order, Episode 1 through 6.

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I'm with CC, I like more of the SE changes than others:

1) Shiny
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) No
5) Yes
6) Yes
7) Yes
8) Yes
9) Keep
10) Yes
11) No
12) Yes
13) No
14) No
15) f*** no
16) No
17) No
18) No
19) Yes
20) Yes
21) Yes
22) Yes
23) Yes
24) Yes
25) No
26) Yes
27) Yes
28) Yes
29) Yes
30) Yes
31) Yes
32) Yes
33) Yes
34) Yes
35) Yes
36) Yes
37) Yes
38) I hate to say it, but special
39) Which one, the new one with the purple-ish ring, or SE red ring?
40) Yes
41) Maybe change that one shot with the green sabre with LD footage
42) Yes
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no moving cgi, which moves unnaturally and is distracting.

so,

2,3,5 maybe. they aren't really important shots, and on the originals the degradation on those parts is pretty bad

6,8,34 yes. minor clean-ups and improvements to matte paintings are good

23,24,25- I'm not so sure about those. I also haven't seen the new garbage creature in motion.

17 and 40, maybe. also, I haven't seen them, but if they're unobtrusive, why not

28 and 29 I think are also deserving.

edit: oh yes, I forgot about 42, the new auberish text. KEEP IT.

The rest, no. no no no.

but again, NO MOVING CGI
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Why not use the talent here to redo the sabers perfect?
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and I mean it!
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Originally posted by: Pagz
I fully expect Mag has much more far reaching edits than merely the additions that have been made to the film. I expect we'll see the trimming of dialogue, possibly new effects for certain scenes if he can swing it, and other tweeks to bring the entire saga closer to a cohesive whole. Remember, Mag is trying to make a Saga to be watched in chronological order, Episode 1 through 6.


Call me a hypocrite, but count me out on this one. I don't want a fan-edited OT.

PT maybe, but no OT. I was only thinking of getting the best of both worlds, as far as SE changes go.

I mean I'm not agaist MagnoliaFan taking a crack at it, but that's not really what this thread was intended for.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Just for fun, with so many versions about to be made, I'd like to see a version with stuff from the low-quality mono mix in there somehow. =) Just to get Beru's original voice and "Blast it Wedge, where are you?" in there for no reason.


1) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/lucasfil.JPG (This is the opening logos. Original or shiney logos?)

Shiney works for me.

2) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/riverbed.JPG (Digitally darkened sky)

Neutral.

3) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sancrDark.jpg (Ditto)

Neutral.

4) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dewback.JPG (Digital Dewbacks and such)

FUCK NO! Restore the original scene, goddamnit. This CGI shit is terrrbrrrrrible. (said in Jar Jar voice)

5) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sandcraw.JPG (alternate shot of the sandcrawler, this time closer to the camera)

Eh. Neutral.

6) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/landspdr.JPG (digitally touching up the landspeeder)

Neutral.

7) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/benhouse.JPG (different shot of Obi-Wan's hut)

OLD! Definitely the old. I would actually prefer the photo of the hut at another angle seen in the "Lost Cut," but that's just be being silly.

8) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/speeder2.jpg (more landspeeder touchups)

Neutral.

9) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mosEisLong.jpg (Barley different at all, shot of Mos Eisley)

Neutral.

10) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-MosEisleyEnter04.jpg (Digital speeder)

NO! GET RID OF THIS CGI SHIT!

11) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/longmose.JPG (several new shots of Mos Eisley, and alterations made to existing shots)

NO! GET RID OF THIS CGI SHIT!

12) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dewBar.jpg (Digital dewback now "barks" as the gang enters the Cantina)

NO! GET RID OF THIS CGI SHIT!

13) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/hatGuy.jpg (Wolfman replaced with reptile thing)

The wolfman. Women want him. Men want to be like him. We love the wolfman.

14) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/informnt.jpg (Digital dewback added behind stromtroopers, with another dismounting)

NO! GET RID OF THIS *RETARDED* CGI SHIT!

15) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/betyouhave.jpg (Greedo now shoots first)

Han shoots first, of course. Yes, I'll bet you have! (The 2004 DVDs can be edited to accomplish this, easily.)

16) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/door2doo.jpg (Digital droid accompanies troopers from door to door)

Fuck no.

17) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sell.jpg (digital swooping doorway and air traffic)

No. Neutral actually, but no.

18) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-HanJabba04.jpg (This does NOT mean to vote for if Jabba is better than teh '97 version. This vote is for the scene at all.)

Please cut Jabba, and quick. "Even I get boarded sometimes!" Redundant, yo.

19) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfleave1.JPG (digital shot of the Falcon taking flight)

No CGI, please. Restore the original.

20)
http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfleave2.JPG (Falcon now "arches" out of frame)

No CGI, please. Restore the original.

21) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/alderaan.jpg (new Alderann explosion, with "ring")

No ring! Please restore the original.

22) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/deadEnd.jpg (the room of troopers Han runs into is now extended by about 100 troops, and even a TIE fighter)

Neutral.

23) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-Corridor04.jpg (new forced perspective shot of the hallway)

Neutral. This is okay, I guess.

24) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/DSCorridor04.jpg (more hallway modifications)

Neutral. This is okay, I guess.

25) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/GarbageCreature04.jpg (new garbage creature)

I don't like the new eye. Original, me thinks.

26) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/magnum.jpg (messing with Leia's blaster sounds)

Neutral.

27) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/blastdoor.jpg (re-added the "close the blast doors" line)

I like this line. Close the blast doors!

28) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-VaderObiFight104.jpg (lightsabers updated to look like the prequels)

Sabers are fine, when they're not the wrong color. =)

29) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/img/anh/Small-ObiSaber04.jpg (corrected Obi-Wan's fading saber)

Sabers are fine, when they're not the wrong color. =)

30) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfexitds.JPG (New "blast" as the Falcon departs the Death Star)

Neutral.

31) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/targetCm.jpg (more sounds added to the controls)

Neutral.

32) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/mfYavin.jpg (Digital Falcon approaches Yavin)

Nah.

33) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/yavinMF.jpg (Falcon added to the foreground, landing)

Neutral, but I don't think so.


34) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/massaii.jpg (different temple)

Neutral, but I don't think so.


35) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/lukeBiggs.jpg (conversation with Biggs added)

I like the Biggs conversation. Keep it.

36) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/leaveyav.JPG (different shot of Xwings replacing the old, "sparkles")

Neutral, but I don't think so.

37) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/xwingsCG.jpg (different Death Star approach shot)

Definitely NO. Keep the old two shots.

38) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/sfoils.jpg (simple, whole Battle of Yavin. original, or special)

Original, yo. =) All the damn way.

39) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/dsExplode.jpg (ring added to the Death Star explosion)

Fuck no. No ring, no grey 2004 explosion, none of that shit.

40) http://www.theforce.net/swse/anh/award.jpg (cardboard people replaced with real people)

Neutral on this one. Leave it.

41) Luke's new saber. said to turn green at odd times.

We hate the greensaber! We hatessss it!

42) Tractor beam text replaced with Aurebesh.

Neutral on this one. I could honestly go either way.

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We need to do these votes five at a time or something. My number 1 concern is cutting Jabba, fixing Greedo, removing Biggs, and deleting all new CGI scenes especially the Mos Eisley intro and before the attack on the death star.
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no to all of the changes I just want the O OT, thankyou.
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Originally posted by: Warbler
no to all of the changes I just want the O OT, thankyou.


Just to clarify, this is just about making "our" SE. A SE with no BS in it.

It may never happen, so this thread may be just a "which SE changes do you like/dislike?"

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Creating a hybrid of the "Original Version" and "The SE Changes You Liked" doesn't seem to suit the philosophy of this group. There is a need to preserve the original pre-1997 versions, and that means accepting that the original version sometimes doesn't look as good as the SEs. It's not supposed to. The old effects, the matte lines, the uncoloured lightsabers, etc, are to be celebrated as what was originally filmed.

Choosing your own favourite changes to keep in the films would just make it an unofficial mixture, worse than either Originals or SEs. They wouldn't be the Originals, and they wouldn't be the SEs either. They'd just be a fan mix.

If there is to be a project to make an Original version using as much DVD footage as possible, and filling in all changed scenes with LD footage, then I would prefer it to be totally accurate to the Originals.
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Although I too am a hardcore OT fan, the only SE changes that I'd like to see are minor improvements that simply clean up the old effects: erasing matte lines, removing those "boxes" around the TIE fighters and other ships, erasing the blob under Luke's landspeeder, fixing Obi-wan's lightsaber in that one shot where it looks like it's running out of batteries (anyone else notice this?), etc. I would have even fewer changes in "Empire" and "Jedi", since those were obviously a bit more polished than "A New Hope" when they first premiered in '80 and '83, respectively.

Other than that, leave everything as it is! No new scenes, new CGI, etc. If Lucas is really that unhappy with the original films, he should simply remake them from scratch. It's been 27 years, after all.
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I've noticed Obi-Wan's batteries running out. I don't even think anything was done about this in the DVD edition.
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Hmm...maybe it was intentional, even back in 1977.

Anyway, I'd be happy with an official DVD release of the OT, "warts" and all. But that's not what this thread is about, so I'll step aside.
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
I've noticed Obi-Wan's batteries running out. I don't even think anything was done about this in the DVD edition.

No, the lightsabers in the Vader/Kenobi duel were fixed perfectly.
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000

It may never happen, so this thread may be just a "which SE changes do you like/dislike?"


I dislike all of the changes.

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Originally posted by: Gavin-
Creating a hybrid of the "Original Version" and "The SE Changes You Liked" doesn't seem to suit the philosophy of this group. There is a need to preserve the original pre-1997 versions, and that means accepting that the original version sometimes doesn't look as good as the SEs. It's not supposed to. The old effects, the matte lines, the uncoloured lightsabers, etc, are to be celebrated as what was originally filmed.

Choosing your own favourite changes to keep in the films would just make it an unofficial mixture, worse than either Originals or SEs. They wouldn't be the Originals, and they wouldn't be the SEs either. They'd just be a fan mix.

If there is to be a project to make an Original version using as much DVD footage as possible, and filling in all changed scenes with LD footage, then I would prefer it to be totally accurate to the Originals.



I like some of the new effects (and just about all the enhanced matte lines and whatnot) but I have to agree with this.
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AT THE RISK OF BEING UNPOPULAR, I ACTUALLY LIKE A LOT OF THE COSMETIC CHANGES, the only ones I'd get rid of would be

-remove the droid bonking the probe droid on the head and the Jawa falling off the ronto in the MOS EISLEY entrance
"MOS EILEY SPACEPORT ,nEVER WILL YOU SEE A MORE WRETCHED HIVE OF SCUM AND SLAPSTICK!"

-bring back the wolfman and get rid of the gecko with the bong

-han shoots greedo first (it goes without saying!)

-lose the Jabba scene


21. Alderaan explosion Remove the Praxis-ring (works for Death Stars, not for planets), but keep the rest of updated explosion

fix lukes lightsaber on the falcon (training remote) scene

and fix the audio glitches that have been reported on the 2004 disc