RicOlie_2 said:
As to your last paragraph, what does a gay guy being nice have to do with some religions teachings against homosexual sex and marriage?
I was being slightly flippant I'll admit but I was suggesting that maybe trusting one's own judgement is a good idea.
RicOlie_2 said:
We don't teach that gay people are bad, or that they should be shunned, but rather that gay sex and marriage is wrong.
Like I've said, if people are consistent then I can accept their arguments on Homosexuality as valid (However I still think they are wrong). Correct me if I'm wrong but when Christian's say their religion condemns Homosexuality it is because of quotes like...
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)
^ Fair enough seems pretty clear to me... HOWEVER... if you live by those two quotes you must live by the rest. Here are a few other quotes from Leviticus...
"For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off" (Leviticus 17:14)
^ One of many from Leviticus 17 saying if you've ever had a nice juicy medium rare steak then you're an abomination. Plus last time you had a steak at a restaurant (Even if it was well done) you should have asked the chef to pour out the blood and cover it in dust (If you didn't do that you are an abomination).
"And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free". (Leviticus 19:20
"And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering". (Leviticus 19:21
"And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him". (Leviticus 19:22
^ So slavery is fine and if a man sleeps with another man's female slave she should be violently beaten but if the man kills an innocent creature he's forgiven. So the bible doesn't just dislke Homosexuals it has equal hatred for women. btw there is a hell of a lot of the Lord commanding animal sacrifices to be made, when was he last time a Christian did that?
"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 19:28)
^ So if tattoos are an abomination why are't they condemned by the Church and it's followers with as much enthusiasm as Homosexuals are condemned? Given the unfortunate habit of some Rappers to have homophobic lyrics it's kinda odd that they have tattoos all over themselves?
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire". (Leviticus 21:09)
^ Funny I can't remember hearing about Christians campaigning to bring back chucking woman on bonfires.
"And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you". (Leviticus 11:05)
"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you". (Leviticus 11:07)
^ If you eat rabbit stew or sausages you're an abomination (Personally I'll take eternal damnation if it means I can still eat Bacon sandwiches). btw Hobbits are clearly abominations because they eat loads of unclean food.
"These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat". (Leviticus 11:09)
"And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you" (Leviticus 11:10)
^ So if you eat any shellfish you are an abomination. Seems a tad harsh to have to burn in hell for all eternity for having a bowl of Moules Marinière (I'm in alot of trouble because I frickin' love em).
I could go on but I think that's enough. You can't pick and choose the word of God so you can't pick and choose what parts of the Bible you believe in... unless some parts of the Bible aren't the word of God? and if some parts can be ignored why have some Christians chosen to hang onto the Homophobic parts?
TV's Frink said:
I think you guys say you love homosexuals so you don't have to feel bad for treating them as second-class citizens.
"We don't hate homosexuals, we just judge them for being morally bankrupt due to the thing that makes them homosexuals."
It's bullshit.
^ This.