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Good news... Sitting at home a bit bored today and I thought of something that is a bit of an issue in the lightsabre duel.

When Luke puts the Hose in Vader's face the "Ohh" does not sound like Vader and when He get's knocked down by Luke and let's out an "Ahh" does not sound like Vader. Actually some version repeat the "Ohh" twice but anyway. I thought I would try to make it sound a bit more like what Vader would sound like so here are the results to this small task I did for fun this morning but It took longer than I thought it would.

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/r961ioc9zc543io/Ohhh+edit.mp3

and

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/2ap67bnu28e4ctr/Ahhh+edit.mp3

Don't expect anything radically different I just tried to inject a bit more Vader in those two hurt sound effects if you like.

An idea I just had from this scene where Luke shove the pipe in Vaders Face is Having his respirator make some weird  malfunction noises although It's a fine line between being a joke and serious but this might work.

well technically he already has by substituting rogue 2 for rogue 3 :b but on the vader shouts, this raises something that has always kinda bothered me, which is that it seems the "ompf" and the "ahh" noises should've been switched. The "ahh" sounds more like a noise you'd make if you got hit in the face with a bunch of steam (a sound of sudden and intense pain), and the "ompf" sounds more like the noise you'd make if you got knocked in the abdomen. After all, when Luke slashes his arm later in this fight and cuts his hand off in their next one, he howls out in pain, so obviously he can feel pain.

Interesting Idea about switching them pain sounds around the problem is when Luke pushes the hose in Vader's face there is a lot of other sound effects going on. So although it's easy to alter Vader getting knocked down the Hose in the face is kind of baked in.

So it is possible perhaps but would be extremely tricky to pull off for the Hose in the face.

Kershner wanted to make sure that the audience was aware that the android technology allowed for pain and the android parts was seamlessly integrated to the Biology of the user.

Something else I noticed is that there is no melee hit sound (or it's really subdued in the mix) when Vader get's knocked down. I wonder if the sound of Luke kicking Vader from ROTJ could be used but have the pitch and volume altered and keeps continuity with the next film of what Vader sounds like when Luke hits him.

I tried the Respirator malfunction the sound I made was fine  it comes off like a joke which I had a feeling it might. :)

The Vader Breath at the very end of the vivaldi trailer is the most epic breath Vader ever took so If Ady can find a place for this one somewhere in the film I would be Happy to hear that one especially but I don't have any suggestions of where it could or should go.

Good point, though audio work is a ways off, and i'm confident Adywan could find a way if he so chose. Also, the idea of adding a more noticable kick sound is a good idea

you are right there is no kick... And I always thought he nudged him off like pushed him...

there is something that could be better than in the original sequence. Because Luke is totally obscured on the shot of Vader falling back. What if Luke's lightsabre actually was connecting with Vaders when he raises it up before he falls. And the sound of them connecting. Just an idea to perhaps make it more dramatic. Like Luke pushed him off with the light sabres connecting and not a hit and Vader stepping back into nothing.

Vader isn't even forced off the edge.

He is lulling Luke into going into the inner chambers of the vane and 'fell' as a ploy to make Luke confident and determined enough to fall into that trap...probably.

Yep saw that clip lol i am now thinking Homer Simpson "Doh" :)

You know you have a good point there bingo but it does not stop Vader looking stupid even if he fell off intentionally. And the whole pain sound effect that vader is apparently experiencing should not be present. At least this is how I am reading Ady from his comments.

I will never suggest a cut to empire strikes back in a lighthearted manner but i am targetting for termination in the scene prior luke swinging his lightsabre away so we have the impression of a clash at the edge and vader gets pushed off with some chane of Lukes lightsabre in the fall scene and it might be creepy to just hear him breathe before he falls feeding in to what you are saying there Bingo. Like he is luring him but much more deviously and less stupid.

I also really don't like the ompf sound but the arrgh is tolerable i think it would make more sense in the hose in the face scene if that is possible.

I would be so pissed if the "ARGH" was removed. Stop making up problems where they don't exist

MrInsaneA said:

I would be so pissed if the "ARGH" was removed. Stop making up problems where they don't exist

This. This thread is getting so silly now. It's only a matter of time before people demand green lasers for the AT-ATs again.

MrInsaneA said:

Stop making up problems where they don't exist

 +10

okay, to those who are dismissing people's suggestion's as "nitpicking" and saying they're making problems where none exist, let me ask this: was there any problem with not having AT-STs in Battle of Hoth apart from the one? Was there anything wrong with the background mattes of Cloud city and Hoth? Is it not nitpicking to point out that you can briefly see part of the arm for the guy controlling the wampa? Does it really matter that the shirt Han is wearing in the carbonite doesn't match the one he wore as he was being lowered down? Did ESB not go on to be considered one of the most classic films ever as it was presented in 1980?

If everyone is so concerned with preserving the film as it is, then why even bother supporting this edit? If you think the edit is better off with or without a certain change is one thing, but to act like someone is just being nitpicky by making a minor change to one scene is not only hypocritical, but it flies in the face of everything this edit is about. The idea behind Revisited is to present Star Wars in the best possible experience, with the idea that no detail is too small or irrelevant to be considered.

First off, when it comes to the Star wars films, ANH and ESB are the ones that don't have anything that absolutely needs to be done to make it a truly better movie (even ROTJ could stand some changes that would make it a truly better film). It's all about the quality of the experience in these movies, since the entire film itself is fine to begin with.
Granted, there probably are quite a few suggestions made in the past that wouldn't really improve the experience (such as the green AT-AT lasers), but having Vader yell out like he's in pain when he falls off a platform and not when he gets a face full of steam (especially when he does yell out in pain later after being inflicted a painful wound) is inconsistent.

oh_riginal said:

The nature of Revisited, to me, is change for the sake of quality, not change for the sake of change. That is the difference. How does changing "oomphs" and "ahhhs" add up to being something that absolutely needs to be done for ESB:R when it was fine in ESB to begin with?

Why did fixing the blaster bolts in ANH need to be done?

The man makes one detail-oriented suggestion and people leap on him. Well, Adywan's edits do in fact revolve around detail much of the time.

I wasn't talking from that level. And you well know it.

timdiggerm said:

Reegar said:

oh_riginal said:

The nature of Revisited, to me, is change for the sake of quality, not change for the sake of change. That is the difference. How does changing "oomphs" and "ahhhs" add up to being something that absolutely needs to be done for ESB:R when it was fine in ESB to begin with?

Why did fixing the blaster bolts in ANH need to be done?

 Because one of the goals of Revisited is a cohesive 6-film saga, and the PT blasters don't look the same.

You really are just purposely trying to avoid the issue at hand, aren't you?

sonofjones said:

okay, to those who are dismissing people's suggestion's as "nitpicking" and saying they're making problems where none exist, let me ask this: was there any problem with not having AT-STs in Battle of Hoth apart from the one? Was there anything wrong with the background mattes of Cloud city and Hoth? Is it not nitpicking to point out that you can briefly see part of the arm for the guy controlling the wampa? Does it really matter that the shirt Han is wearing in the carbonite doesn't match the one he wore as he was being lowered down? Did ESB not go on to be considered one of the most classic films ever as it was presented in 1980?

If everyone is so concerned with preserving the film as it is, then why even bother supporting this edit? If you think the edit is better off with or without a certain change is one thing, but to act like someone is just being nitpicky by making a minor change to one scene is not only hypocritical, but it flies in the face of everything this edit is about. The idea behind Revisited is to present Star Wars in the best possible experience, with the idea that no detail is too small or irrelevant to be considered.

The main examples you give WERE things that NEEDED fixing. The 1 AT-ST already there was at a height that would have been impossible, therefore it was either cut the AT-ST entirely or insert them elsewhere. The cloud city matte causes a continuity error I believe - either that or it was reused from elsewhere. The wampa arm - self explanatory. There is a REASON to fix that as it is clearly an error. Same goes for Han's shirt.

The Vader noise is not an error. It was a dialogue/sound effect choice that has always been there. It doesn't contradict any other elements or undermine any character moments. Therefore the examples you mention aren't comparable. They needed fixing. This was an artistic choice that works fine as it is.

Talk about a Strawman argument....