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The Disney Gereration were axed a while ago because they weren't selling well... They didn't do much for it, anyway...
The Disney Gereration were axed a while ago because they weren't selling well... They didn't do much for it, anyway...
I just happened across the original CAV disc of TLM and the CLV of The Lion King, and while no major Disney fan and certainly not at all as knowledgeable as those in this thread on the topic they blew me away.
Despite being cropped to a 1.33 frame, I had just seen my sister's BD of TLM and in even the LD's opening shots was awestruck at the amount of atmospheric fog that simply wasn't there in the BD. Fine detail was inherent on this disc from 1990 that felt far more natural than anything the BD could muster. I even tried the BD on my CRT screen and that did next to nothing.
Despite being just the CLV version, Lion King is a fantastic LD title. I don't even like the movie, but geez does it look and sound stellar. I just watched a bit and flipped between the Dolby surround matrix and 5.1 audio tracks because at some point I had heard someone claim the matrixed was perhaps mixed better than the discrete version. (A phenomenon I found on Batman Forever) It may very well be. Either one sounds stunning.
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Since these films were animated at 1.66:1 they are probably just as cropped at 4x3 as they are to arrive at 1.77:1 on BD. They just cropping from a different direction.
While I can't speak from haven't actually compared them, I would think that the Lion King's AC3 track is probably a blunt copy of the original theatrical mix.
Laserdiscs were a limited market enthusiast medium. Studios rarely saw a need to spend the time remixing a track when the home theater systems they would play on could handle them fine.
The stereo track is probably just a downmix meant to handle TV speakers better.
Dr. M
monks19 said:
The Disney Gereration were axed a while ago because they weren't selling well... They didn't do much for it, anyway...
You're right, many didn't even know about them. I remember more than a couple of people being happily surprised when they learned that "Child of Glass" was available.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DUMBO-1941-35MM-ANIMATED-FILM-PRINT-1976-RE-ISSUE-SP-COLOR-EASTMAN-STOCK-/291021634018?pt=US_Film&hash=item43c23db9e2
Where were you in '77?
I was pondering updating the Pocahontas recommendation.
Although the 'Special Edition' has an added song (via seamless branching), unlike previous instances of DVD added songs, this appears to actually be a true deleted scene removed late from the film.
Having now seen it in the movie, I thought it really was an improvement. Technically not theatrical but should it be recommended over the Blu-ray?
Dr. M
I used to have a version that added the deleted song (I felt it was an improvement) and reinstates the soundtrack version of "Savages" which got toned down for the theatrical release.
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While this doesn't have anything to do with any recommended editions, I just realized something: If you watch Gremlins, you can actually get a very good glimpse of what Snow White's color timing looked like prior to the 1987 and 1993 restorations.
The old, warm, sepia-brownish look is clearly evident in the excerpts seen in that film, and they may actually be the highest-quality source out there (until someone obtains a print that's not faded)...
RE: my Snow White tape. My hard drive is still out of commission. Would a DVD-R copy suffice for now?
Oh yes please! That sounds fine if you don't mind uploading.
Good. I could upload the DVD5 ISO to Google Drive, and then somebody else'll have to share it on the spleen on my behalf, since I lost my access when my hard drive went bye bye.
I'll get started right now, let me look for the tape...
About Snow White's true colors, any other way to get access to the film's original color charts ? Were those informations ever published ?
monks19 said:
About Snow White's true colors, any other way go get access to the film's original color charts ? Were those informations ever published ?
Probably not, unfortunately.
Our best bet is a low-fade print.
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I've got a Fuji low-fade version from the mid-80s, but no guarantee as to the originality of the colors.
Yeah, but make sure it's dated before the 1940s (before the secound release, in fact). According to Robert Harris, the colours began to be messed up during that time.
ww1234, you can be dead sure that this is not a version with the right colours. How much do you think could be worth today an authentic first release IB print of this film ?
Yeah, I know. I don't know that I trust RAH's statements on "accuracy"... He's made some questionable "accurate" choices in the past, so do with that what you will.
I figure an original first release 35mm IB Tech in good condition without VS would be upwards of 1-2k...
Ouch, that's a lot... Maybe it could be possible to ask Harris himself to help in cosing the closer colours, if he want (I'll be surprised if he does, but, who knows, with a good approach). What do you think about that ? On the latter case, your print won't be wasted.
TBH, I'm not that confident of RAH's ability to pick the correct colors. In the first place, I don't think he would approve of what we are doing. He has a very anti-preservation mind if the studios aren't behind it. Secondly, he has made some very, very inappropriate color choices when grading his restorations. Finally, even if he is willing and able to pick the correct colors, it would be very hard for him to do it. He would have to sit down with the two prints side by side at a grading table and grade the digital files based on those two prints. It's not as easy a process as it would seem... :)
As far as price for a print, that's really cheap. I know it seems like a lot, but if you want to see crazy money, check out how much original IBs of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz go for. Personally, I hate the movie, and can't fathom why anyone would spend around 5-6k on a Tech print of it... But that's just me! :)
Ok, thanks for your input on the matter. Let's then enjoy what's avalaible now, which is far much better than the actual Blu ray, anyway. BTW, how's SOTS going ?
The new Mary Poppins Blu-Ray is 1:66:11. I'm curious if this is the OAR or not.
The color timing leaves a bit to be desired, but there's hardly a sign of DNR!
I say, try it!
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There is at least one original IB print of Snow White in private collector hands - film historian Bob Furmanek posted a screenshot of it on another forum:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u235/BobFurmanek/31383_1476325630885_4698463_n_zpsb2ddfb9f.jpg
That should be nitrate. I wonder... Very cool, though!
That's supposed to be IB? Looks really faded. Is it supposed to fade like that? Or do you suppose it is just the backlight used to scan that frame?
Ditto. I'm kind of dubious of the source. I've actually seen first run prints of Bambi (on nitrate) and they looked awful. That looks really good to be original release. Maybe first run on safety film...