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A New Hope was released at just the right time.

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Anyone who has seen the documentary Empire of Dreams knows what I'm talking about here as it was mentioned several times.

The 1970s political climate was one of social revolution and cynicism towards the government.

Hollywood was mired in anti-heroes and sci fi had a distinctly apocalyptic theme. 

America's economy and the war left people feeling pessimistic.

 

The time was ripe for something like Star Wars.  

See any similarities to today?  Not saying the new movie is guaranteed to be anything and execution will be key.  But is anyone else seeing a confluence of circumstances gathering enough for lightning to strike twice?

 

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James Cameron's Avatar likely would be regarded along such fails as Cutthroat Island or Waterworld had it been released today.

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Highly debatable if a single movie can have the cultural impact today that was possible back then.

Look at the record-breaking phenomenon The Dark Knight. The most it really did was give people new ideas for Halloween make-up.

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Fixed.

A New Hope was released at just the right time.

Star Wars was released at just the right time.

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emanswfan said:

Fixed.

A New Hope was released at just the right time.

Star Wars was released at just the right time.

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luckydube56 said:


Anyone who has seen the documentary Empire of Dreams knows what I'm talking about here as it was mentioned several times.

The 1970s political climate was one of social revolution and cynicism towards the government.

Hollywood was mired in anti-heroes and sci fi had a distinctly apocalyptic theme. 

America's economy and the war left people feeling pessimistic.

 

The time was ripe for something like Star Wars.


Too bad it eventually led to the spiritually, mentally, emotionally, and artistically dead CGI-splattered shit of today.

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The big difference is that today's record-breakers seem almost manufactured to be record-breakers. They're the most expensive movies usually, whereas Star Wars was (relatively) low-budget. The Dark Knight and Avatar, while both risky and innovative, still had the full financial support of Hollywood behind them. If you adjust for inflation, Star Wars would cost around $50 million today. If you adjust to 2005 dollars, it would be just a little more than Serenity's $40 million. Has anything in the last eight years with that low of a budget really burned up the box office to Dark Knight / Avengers / Avatar levels??? That first Hunger Games movie comes to mind, but even that had a built-in fanbase from the books.

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"A new hope" wasnt released in the 70s, "Star Wars" was. ;-)

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The only thing that comes to mind that had anything close to the the cultural impact of Star Wars in '77 is the original Matrix. I'm not sure I've seen anything since then with such widespread collective resonance, but I'd have to agree that Dark Knight and Avatar have probably come the closest.

I doubt Star Wars VII has much chance of recapturing that kind of runaway success, but I'm trying to stay optimistic that we'll at least end up with something as fun and well made as Pirates of the Caribbean or Avengers.

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Star Wars OT was so successful because it was so great. Time of release had little to do with anything. At least from my perspective. I saw it 2 decades after its release and yet I fell in love with it just as much as people back in late 70's and early 80's.

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Hard for any movie to have such an impact today, mainly due to the constant leaks, making of's, clips showing key parts of the movie and marketing etc.

Back in 77 I went to the movie and had never even heard of it. I was worried it was going to be a war film and it would give me night-mares!

These days I parctice good film-hygiene to try and enjoy movies more.

I watch no trailers, news items, teasers or anything for a movie I am interested in. Nothing. Then I go see it as early as possible.

I am enjoying movies far far more than I had been over the past few years. It makes it so much more enjoyable when you haven't already heard the lines, seen the effects, know the twists etc.

I think it is why I enjoyed Tron Legacy so much more than my peers, I kept myself in the dark and knew nothing except the images on the posters. It was so much more impressive that way. It was like being a kid again.

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A shortcut through the toy aisle at Target accidentally spoiled the identity of Tron Legacy's villain for me. ;)

Avoiding spoilers on the SW sequels is going to be a formidable task.

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Where were you in '77?

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The whole 'Post-Vietnam' argument about Star Wars in the documentary is another attempt by Lucas to re-write history.

Star Wars was beloved by everyone in 1977, and big part of that audeince was people like myself (young kids).  We weren't old enough to understand the ramifications of the Vietnam War, so the thought never crossed our minds.  Star Wars succeeded in 1977 because it was a great movie, it appealed to everyone, and had ground-breaking special effects. 

And people forget that Rocky came out in 1976, where he was a Luke Skywalker-like hero that fans could get behind and love in the movie.

I would ask all new fans of SW to ignore all of Lucas's propaganda documentaries.  Just remember he said in 2005, "There are no more SW movies, as the story is about the Tragedy of Darth Vader, and the movies are meant to be watched 1-6"

And now we have the Sequel Trilogy 8 years later.....

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poita said:

Hard for any movie to have such an impact today, mainly due to the constant leaks, making of's, clips showing key parts of the movie and marketing etc.

Back in 77 I went to the movie and had never even heard of it. I was worried it was going to be a war film and it would give me night-mares!

These days I parctice good film-hygiene to try and enjoy movies more.

I watch no trailers, news items, teasers or anything for a movie I am interested in. Nothing. Then I go see it as early as possible.

I am enjoying movies far far more than I had been over the past few years. It makes it so much more enjoyable when you haven't already heard the lines, seen the effects, know the twists etc.

I think it is why I enjoyed Tron Legacy so much more than my peers, I kept myself in the dark and knew nothing except the images on the posters. It was so much more impressive that way. It was like being a kid again.

Of course, exposing oneself to spoilers allows you to know in advance whether or not a movie is even worth seeing in the first place.

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Wish intermissions would make a return. I'd visit the theaters more often.

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Crowds freak me out after a short while. And a lot of times I need to pee in the middle of a movie.

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CO said:

The whole 'Post-Vietnam' argument about Star Wars in the documentary is another attempt by Lucas to re-write history.

I don't think that this was Lucas' doing. The documentary creators just threw in some stuff that would make it look smarter. Now fans are taking that kind of crap as the holy truth. This is just one of many such cases.

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Since Lucas was going to direct an early version of Apocalypse Now, people try to find some sort of line connecting them. Lucas himself made a vague reference to Vietnam and AN in Making of A Saga.

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imperialscum said:

CO said:

The whole 'Post-Vietnam' argument about Star Wars in the documentary is another attempt by Lucas to re-write history.

I don't think that this was Lucas' doing. The documentary creators just threw in some stuff that would make it look smarter. Now fans are taking that kind of crap as the holy truth. This is just one of many such cases.

 Perhaps you two are correct.  Of course it pre-supposes the notion that there is really nothing special about this film series you love so much.  Maybe it is, indeed, just another movie.  A mere hobby.  An over loved one trick pony.  

Maybe Lord of the Rings is the same?  

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luckydube56 said:

imperialscum said:

CO said:

The whole 'Post-Vietnam' argument about Star Wars in the documentary is another attempt by Lucas to re-write history.

I don't think that this was Lucas' doing. The documentary creators just threw in some stuff that would make it look smarter. Now fans are taking that kind of crap as the holy truth. This is just one of many such cases.

 Perhaps you two are correct.  Of course it pre-supposes the notion that there is really nothing special about this film series you love so much.  Maybe it is, indeed, just another movie.  A mere hobby.  An over loved one trick pony.  

Maybe Lord of the Rings is the same?  

Well I am saying that the historical contexts had little to do with success of the film. It was successful because it was just great. It was equally popular in Europe or Japan and we had no Vietnam war. And almost 20 years leater, when I first watched it I loved it just as much as people who watched it at release (I think LOTR came out a little later and compared to SW trilogy it was unappealing to me). Many films we had in the past 30 years were actually influenced by the Star Wars. Star Wars changed, influenced and shaped the cinematic history like no other film did.

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imperialscum said:

Time of release had little to do with anything.

I saw it 2 decades after its release and yet I fell in love with it just as much as people back in late 70's


when I first watched it I loved it just as much as people who watched it at release

With all due respect, those aren't statements you get to make for other people.  Particularly those of us who were there.  Time of release had a great deal to do with the cultural impact.  Plenty of articles have addressed it in detail. 

Regarding being just as moved by it as people were in the 1970s: That's not a quantifiable statement, nor one for you to make so definitively.  You were clearly moved by it or you wouldn't be on a Star wars board ten years later, but you don't get to speak for other fans' level of emotional impact.

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It's also worth noting that it was released in Europe and Japan much later, and if it had flopped in the u.s., it would have barely been released over there, if at all in some countries. It needed to make that initial impact just to get the splashy worldwide release.

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imperialscum said:

Time of release had little to do with anything.

I saw it 2 decades after its release and yet I fell in love with it just as much as people back in late 70's


when I first watched it I loved it just as much as people who watched it at release

With all due respect, those aren't statements you get to make for other people.  Particularly those of us who were there.  Time of release had a great deal to do with the cultural impact.  Plenty of articles have addressed it in detail. 

Regarding being just as moved by it as people were in the 1970s: That's not a quantifiable statement, nor one for you to make so definitively.  You were clearly moved by it or you wouldn't be on a Star wars board ten years later, but you don't get to speak for other fans' level of emotional impact.

First of all I was clearly speaking only for myself. All I did was a comparison "just as much us people in 70's" which is not speaking for anyone but just comparing my appreciation of Star Wars to someone else. A lot of people back then went to see it in theatres multiple times which is (in my book at least) an indication that they loved the film a lot. Just like me (OT being my top 3 favourite films of all time). And I did not go into any detailed emotional feelings of anyone. It was a matter of love or hate stance which can be observed with just a little common sense. I do hope you won't argue that they hated the film so much that they went to see it 5 times.

My argument was that the historic context of release might have had a minor influence on its success but the key factor was the product itself. If the historic context (Vietnam war, Nixon etc.) was of any major role in its popularity then why on earth was received just as well in Europe and Japan and why has it been continuously gaining fans for over 30 years?

Actually the only relevant historic context was that it was a revolutionary film in cinematic sense and that it changed the industry and influenced so many films and film makers to this day. Actually that's not even an influence of historic context but more like an impact the film had on cinematic history. Therefore hypothetical questions like "what if Star Wars was released today?" is as dumb as " what if Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica was published today?".

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Aunt Sally said:
Therefore hypothetical questions like "what if Star Wars was released today?" is as dumb as " what if Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica was published today?".

Ridiculous.



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Actually the only relevant historic context was that it was a revolutionary film...

The "time of" I'm crediting for turning Star Wars into a cultural event was the innocence of our culture and the innocence of the movie-goers in general in 1977.  I don't attribute its success to the Cold War, Vietnam, the 1972 Olympics, etc.  Although there is certainly something to be said for the world needing a fun, bigger than life, escape at the time. 

I attribute it to us having not yet lost our cinematic innocence in 1977. It was a big adventure, the likes of which many of us hadn't been on before.  It looked as real as 2001: A Space Odyssey, but wasn't nearly as cerebral.  We spent a lot of time in space, which we hadn't done much of in films past.  It was also a relatively simple story.  It was an escape and it was fun.

That wouldn't be possible now.  People go into the theater expecting HD CGI realism. If it isn't Avatar, Matrix, Transformers, or a Marvel-based comic action piece, it doesn't land at the level Star Wars circa 1977 did. 

The time to capture the world with an event comes along seldom.  Once it does, you can't get your innocence back.  There was only one Apollo Space Program, one The Beatles, one Facebook, and one Summer of Star Wars.

You can read all you want about Star Wars 1977, you can imagine you understand it, and you can equate your TV experience decades later to it, but unless you were there, you can't feel or understand the emotional moment the way some of us did.

It would be like me saying I understand the emotion when Kennedy was shot or the elation of V-J Day.  No matter how much I read or watch about them, I can't feel it the way those people did.  Just as it will be when twenty years from now someone comes to you and they say they understood the fear of 9-11 because they've read a lot about it.

You can be every bit as emotionally moved by the story as 1970s people were, and it seems you were.  Which is great, by the way, because it keeps the original alive and shows that the essence of the story is what is most important.  However, you saw the film through late 1990s eyes in a late 1990s world.  It isn't the same as the 1970s.

A tangential discussion to all of this is available entertainment sources now vs 1977. Competition, venues, and availability of 2000s vs 1970s are also huge components of discussing the time in which Star Wars was released.

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