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Post #673544

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Video Collector
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Star Wars Holiday Special - WHIO 1st Gen VHS Preservation (Released)
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24-Nov-2013, 5:17 PM

Mavimao said:

Video Collector said:

coltonlolz said:

Video Collector said:

Just finished DL-ing V2, and I am very impressed with the quality.

As I was watching, it hit me that this version could be interesting with a few tweaks. First off, a conversion to 23.97 fps would take out the "video" look (Like they did with the Zion Hybrid).

I have tried it before, and it loses fields in the video, thus I kept it at 29.97fps.

Obviously going from 30 to 24 frames means something has to be discarded. It's what gives film its look, the jerkiness of motion.

Again, this is not something I am terribly knowledgable about, but going from interlaced to progressive 30 fps before doing the conversion would be the natural first step, no? Meaning you drop frames, not fields, which is what I am after.

What is the "proper" procedure for downsampling from 30i to 24p fps?

It's a bit obvious you're not terrible knowledgeable about these things. It seems you're confused about IVTC - reverse telecine - and how it is used. 

Film is 24 fps. American video is 30 fps (or 60 fields a second). In order to show a movie filmed on a TV back in the old days, it had to go through a telecine process, converting 24 frames into 60 odd and even fields. Now you can reverse that process and get the original progressive 24 frames from a telecined video master - which is necessary for a lot of laserdisc projects that originated on film and were telecined to video. 

The Holiday Special was filmed at 30 fps interlaced video (what news shows and sports games are filmed on) - NOT 24 fps film. There was no telecine process involved and any conversion from 30 to 24 would be idiotic. What you're asking is akin to converting Star Wars to 18fps because it gives it that silent era look. 

Yes, I know all that, I am familiar with frame rates and the NTSC nature of the original shooting of the Holiday Special, thank you. 

Nevertheless, idiotic as it may be to you, people are converting video-based projects to a 24 fps cadence to achieve a more filmic look. I believe it is a common enough feature in off-the-shelf editing software, though I'm not familiar with how it's achieved. If you have access to the Zion Hybrid version of the Holiday Special, you'll see that they've done it for that version and I find it very pleasing to the eye.

You don't believe the idea has merit, fine. I am not advocating this as an improvement on, nor replacement for the version that we have on hand. I was just thinking that with a superior source like the WHIO recording, the results could be interesting. Please accept my humblest apologies for even suggesting it.