Reegar said:
I don't know, I'd have to think on that one for a while.
Good storytelling seems like it should be able to exist objectively, even if it takes a human mind to appreciate it.
Well, I don't think so. Look at the people who consider Empire the most boring Star Wars movie, even though the common view is that the storytelling is masterful in that movie. People have subjective criteria for storytelling and what you may consider objective when it comes to judging storytelling (again, "good", "judging" etc. just sounds weird when used in conjuction with "objective" to me) comes down to a widely accepted convention (which would be an amalgamation of subjective views in this case. Or something). It all depends on your definition of objectivism, I suppose.
My brain hurts. On to complaining about the PT:
Bingowings said:
The second time I saw TPM I enjoyed aspects of it, it was still a bad film but I was less bewildered by how awful most it was.
I could salvage some some enjoyment from the design and Ian's performance as Palpatine, from the pod race, the saber duel and the score.
It was a very similar experience to watching ROTJ for me only less lively and lacking the emotional investment in the characters earned from two previous good films.
The first time I watch AOTC and ROTS they felt more like Star Wars than TPM (because of the superficial design similarities mostly) but on further viewings became more and more awful and less and less like Star Wars.
I'll never forget the first time I saw TPM. It was nothing like the Star Wars I loved. There was no sense of adventure and excitement, no joy anywhere. A soulless husk of a movie, a caricature with a couple of flashy scenes I did not care about anyway. I didn't even see the second until a few years after the third one, but a friend of mine lent me the novelization. Still one of the worst pieces of fiction I've had the displeasure of reading. The third one I went to see because I was curious about how they'd approach bridging the two trilogies.
Basically, all the problems I had with TPM carried over, and many more were introduced in the following movies. AotC is the most offensively bad of the bunch to me.