Warbler said:
Bingowings said:
These were obviously meant to be previous lives of the Time Lord called the Doctor.
And yet Susan's grandfather calls himself the First Doctor and the cricket player calls himself the Fifth.
I don't think you can say for certain that those guys are previous lives of Doctor from before Hartnell. I think from the way Hartnell's self(aren't all of them Susan's grandfather?) and Davidson's self talk in "The Five Doctors", it is pretty certain that Hartnell is the first doctor "The original you might say" and Davidson is the fifth "regeneration? fourth. So there are five of me now"
And if so guys are doctors, why didn't Borusa pick them up as well with the time scoop?
As for the Valeyard, he comes in between the Doctor's 12th and 13th self.
As for the guy that helped Tom Baker's self regenerate, I don't he is meant to be considered one of the doctor's lives.
And what are you saying was reconned?
The implication from the mini-episode and the line in the trailer is The Doctor is doesn't always tell people about all of his incarnations and not all of them are called the Doctor.
So Hartnell/Hurndall play the first Doctor but not necessarily that Time Lord's first incarnation (he may have had many lives before where he wasn't called the Doctor).
In The Brain Of Morbius it's pretty obvious those were meant to be earlier incarnations of the Doctor but Robert Holmes chose to forget or plain forgot this when he wrote The Deadly Assassin (creating the 13 incarnations rule).
I find it hard to imagine he just forgot as Robert Holmes actually played one of the Morbius Doctors (he is the third on the bottom row wearing a tricorn).
The Watcher is the Doctor but he is an interstitial incarnation (Doctor 4.5).
Why didn't Borusa pick up the sixth Doctor or the 13th (the Valeyard proves this would be possible)?
Maybe he thought that earlier or later incarnations might seek to steal the prize of immortality for themselves (he only chose one living Master, if they were all there the Masters would certainly doublecross Borusa and probably succeed) where as the five Doctor incarnations he chose had already demonstrated a disregard for the concept of immortality.
By having the Warrior incarnation not call himself Doctor it allows for the Morbius Doctors to be the same man as the Doctor without all that messing around with Doctor numbers.
Matt Smith is still the 11th Doctor not the 12th or the 20th.