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mebejedi: chronic buds = good. No I am not a teen either, lol. I was born in the 70s...
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Does anyone here actually have the Definitive LDs with the missing 7 seconds of ESB? Those are tremendously collectible, very rare indeed. Also I heard mention of laser rot. The definitve ld are not know for having laser rot are they?
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The Def. Collection is known to have laser rot.

I know there was a fixed release with the welding scene but like you said, it is more rare than the missing release.
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I have the Dr Gonzo versions of the OT, and would love to trade some DVDrs of the TR47 versions as well as some of the better edits of EPI and EPII. I have a VAST list of concert DVDr's and run several DVDr trading pages. PLEASE contact me if you want to set up a trade (I will happily send first.

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
This one: http://www.davisdvd.com/images/starwars/sw_ld3.jpg

"WHAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN: The 1989 laserdisc was quietly reissued with the newly corrected letterboxed transfer, completely doing away with the "incredible shrinking ratio" problem. This release, pressed by Mitsubishi Japan, features the same catalog number as the 1989 release. So how can you tell the two apart? This corrected edition is released by "Fox Video." Coupled with the 1985 audio mix , this could very well likely be the best presentation of the film

And in the 1985 audio mix...

"effects, new stereo'd effects (Jawa voices after Artoo's capture) and, most noticeably, the addition of C-3PO's line in the Death Star ("The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave"). This new sound mix was used for every subsequent video release until the 1993 THX "Definitive Collection" remastering." Davis DVD Video Timeline

Actually, it sounds a little out of place. It was definitely recorded at a different time.


MeBeJedi, do you have the original 1989 version of the ANH LaserDisc or do you have the 1992 re-release of the '89 disc with corrected 2.35:1 letterboxed transfer?

Are you considering adding the 3PO line back in?

I hadn't really thought about it but after reading some earlier posts about the missing 3PO dialogue concerning the Death Star Tractor beam I started doing some research like a crazed Star Wars fan... hey wait, I resemble that remark

...and I began to think that while I do have many numerous "transfers" of ANH on DVD, I don't believe any of them have this line... well, at least not any of the good ones I should go check some of the early, crappy, bad audio-sync versions I have to make sure. Unfortunately though, all the "good" DVD transfers I have come from the same source (definitive collection).

I wonder why this line was taken out to begin with. I know according to the history of Star Wars that the movie was initially released without this line of dialogue and Ben Burtt added it in later. While Lucas has consistently made major mistakes in "adding" footage, I feel this line is crucial. I remember watching the new, "official" DVDs and wondering where that line was... ObiWan was just out there running around flipping switches... nobody ever told us that "the tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations". If ya ask me, this addition makes sense.

I think this discussion sort of died a page back or so... what does everyone think... should this be added back in... and if so, what about the extra muttering from Jawas after they capture R2?

I know a lot of people look at the "definitive" LaserDisc set and worship it like it is infallable and it would be blasphemy to say otherwise but as has been pointed out, the "Faces" set is better in many respects, however, both versions are missing the 3PO DeathStar dialogue we all remember from the VHS.

MBJ, do you feel that adding the 3PO scene will be easy enough to do... is this beginning to feel like one of those "two many cooks in the kitchen" projectt?
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Originally posted by: zion
Here's a new one I just did off the faces version of ESB. Considerably less noise and better color than my definitive capture last week:

http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/ESB.fac.cmp.twk.01.jpg
http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/ESB.fac.cmp.twk.02.jpg
http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/ESB.fac.cmp.twk.03.jpg
http://aptirrelevance.com/videoprojects/images/ESB.fac.cmp.twk.04.jpg

Thoughts?


Zion, those latest shots are smokn'

Keep up the good work!
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WOW, I say WOW... Those shots are spectacular Zion... Very nice work....

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All hail Zion
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"MeBeJedi, do you have the original 1989 version of the ANH LaserDisc or do you have the 1992 re-release of the '89 disc with corrected 2.35:1 letterboxed transfer?
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I have the Def. Col, the Faces set, and disc 1 of the 1992 LD set (long story...)

"MeBeJedi, do you have the original 1989 version of the ANH LaserDisc or do you have the 1992 re-release of the '89 disc with corrected 2.35:1 letterboxed transfer?"

Technically, it's immensely easy. It's simply a voice-over of the existing scene (which now has "snapshot
' noises as the pictures changes.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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MeBeJedi, from what I have seen, your set is going to be awesome.

Zion, from the screencaps, it looks as if your set is going to be one of the best as well.

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Originally posted by: zion
Here's a new one I just did off the faces version of ESB. Considerably less noise and better color than my definitive capture last week:

Thoughts?


Alright, now....'fess up. How much time did you spend touching those up in Photoshop, hmm? Seriously, those caps look pretty awesome. Now how the hell am I supposed to decide which set I should add to my collection?
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Who said you could only have one?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Holy crap and mega pepperoni! I just watched the 2004 DVD of Empire Strikes Back (by renting it ofcourse!) and the picture quality is OUT OF THIS BLOODY WORLD! Honestly, I could as well have had a handful of slimey mud thrown in my eyes when I immedietly watched my TR47´s right after seeing the the 2004 DVD. The sharpness and detail is something I´ve never seen before, not even when I saw them in the cinema. But that transfer is not perfect IMO, for one it´s way too saturated colorwise (a deliberate move by Lucas to make them more like the kiddy PT, lots of colour for the kids!) and the black levels are a bit off. I had to re-adjust my picture settings from something that had worked universally for just about every DVD movie I have and I made those setting based on refrence quality material. I had to crank up the brightness levels somewhat to get it to look right.

But anyway, I´m glad I´ve finally seen what Lucasfilm has to offer and I still don´t want this new release, the cons still outweigh the pros. I was gutted to hear Boba´s voice, it is so badly done I can´t believe it! That bloody accent of his destroys those few but important lines he had, plus he delievers them quite badly especially the "what if he doesn´t survive... he´s worth a lot to me". Sounds way to rushed. The old dialogue had a much more sinister sound about it, which fitted perfectly with the character of Boba. Also the scene with The Emperor absolutely stank, there´s no emotion from Ian in that scene especially when compared to his rich performance as the very same character in ROTJ. And that new dialogue is ridiculous to say the least.

This new transfer has not vaned my interest in a new quality bootleg, preferably anamorphic since I already own the TR47 ones, I need more detail. We seem to be getting some quality work here from MeBeJedi, Laserman and the newest entry from Zion. Things are looking good for us OT lovers who ain´t buying into this 2004 Lucas crap.

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Good news! I just got my "Video Essentials" LD today. (Damn! That was fast! ) My computer's going to be chewing on the 4X3 ANH this weekend, so we can get it on BitTorrents, but I will use this LD to calibrate for the eventual anamorphic version later on.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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just found the Fox WS releases of SW and ESB for 10 dollars a piece at local used video store in Seattle on laserdisc. Asked the guy to hold them for me. My jaw dropped when he said 10 buck a piece...I didnt tell him they were worth at least twice that...
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Attaboy. Hey, if your ESB LD has the "snowspeeder wipe-out" sound byte, you may have to send it to me.

[EDIT] I meant, as a .wav file (though it would be nice to extract it digitally from the LD.)

[EDIT] You know, I totally forgot I had this LD as well...http://www.davisdvd.com/images/starwars/esb_ld6.jpg
• RELEASE DATE: 1985

• STUDIO: CBS/FOX

• RELEASE FORMAT: Laserdisc

• COMMENTS: Three Standard-Play CAV discs (Cat# 1425-84)

• TECHNICAL COMMENTS: Pan & Scan transfer with with CX-encoded Stereo Surround sound

• OTHER COMMENTS: This edition is not time compressed and also marks the first time ever that fans can analyze the film frame-by-frame (thanks to the CAV format)
- DavisDVD
Anyone know if this version has the sound byte? I guess I'll have to bring a TV in my office to play the LD, since my computer is busy.

Oh, I have this disc also...http://www.davisdvd.com/images/starwars/rotj_ld1.jpg
• RELEASE DATE: 1986

• STUDIO: CBS/FOX

• RELEASE FORMAT: Laserdisc

• COMMENTS: Two Extended-Play CLV discs (Cat# 1478-80)

• TECHNICAL COMMENTS: Pan & Scan transfer with CX-encoded Digital Stereo Surround sound

• OTHER COMMENTS: The film is spread over three sides


(They are fool-screen, so I never really bother with them. Of course, that didn't stop me from buying them. )

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: OB-1
Originally posted by: zion
Here's a new one I just did off the faces version of ESB. Considerably less noise and better color than my definitive capture last week:

Thoughts?


Alright, now....'fess up. How much time did you spend touching those up in Photoshop, hmm? Seriously, those caps look pretty awesome. Now how the hell am I supposed to decide which set I should add to my collection?


I spent three seconds on each one. One second to paste it into photoshop, one second to resize to the correct aspect ratio, then one second to save as a jpeg.

So yeah, I guess you got me. I shoulda resized with AVIsynth.

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BTW, it is also of utmost importance to calibrate your computer/vga monitor if doing graphics or video work, and *then* calibrate your capture system.
An inexpensive system like the Spyder Pro is good for this.

Mebejedi (check your PM) I have sent you some manual PC monitor calibration tools as well that will do the job.
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Originally posted by: drcrawn
Does anyone here actually have the Definitive LDs with the missing 7 seconds of ESB? Those are tremendously collectible, very rare indeed. Also I heard mention of laser rot. The definitve ld are not know for having laser rot are they?


I have the Definitive Collection LD's with the Leia Welding footage in tact. The early release was suseptible to rot, but I'm not sure about the version I have since it was a later pressing.

MeBeJedi,

I believe the missing C3PO line is included in one of those early LD's. If you look at this

link, he mentions this about the 1985 VHS release:
"WHAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN: This release is a little-known milestone in the history of Star Wars. When Fox decided to digitally remaster the audio track for this re-release, sound designer Ben Burtt asked to be involved. What Burtt actually ended up doing was that he created an entirely new sound mix for the film. So in reality, the audio for this video release is the fourth official Star Wars audio mix (following the three original theatrical mixes - see the first entry at the top of this page). Among the clean up and digital repairs, some interesting new changes were added. These include sweetened sound effects, new stereo'd effects (Jawa voices after Artoo's capture) and, most noticeably, the addition of C-3PO's line in the Death Star ("The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave"). This new sound mix was used for every subsequent video release until the 1993 THX "Definitive Collection" remastering [ Very Special Thanks to David C. Fein for this important revelation ] ".

He also says this about the 1992 LD. "Coupled with the 1985 audio mix, this could very well likely be the best presentation of the film."

So, I would bet that line was there.

I have seen a copy someone made of the movie with that line and the "Close the blastdoors!" line inserted into the Faces version of ANH. They are a little jarring. The person who made it did a good job. It's just that you can tell the lines were recorded at different times. Kind of reminds me of Vader's added line in ESB of, "Inform my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival.". It is really James Earl Jones performing that line according to Ben Burtt. However, it doesn't sound right because that line was meant to be in ANH, but they never used it.

When you get a chance, check out the '92 LD and see how the line sounds compared to 3PO's other lines during that scene. If you had the entire '92 LD, I would probably use that for the audio and maybe the video as well.

I just looked at Ebay and found this:

Laserdisc. I wonder if this is the 1989 or the 1992 version.

Patrick
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Zion those shots look very impressive indeed! Try if you can to calibrate them with the retail DVDs!
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"MeBeJedi, I believe the missing C3PO line is included in one of those early LD's. If you look at this....So, I would bet that line was there."

It is. I stated later that I do, indeed, have it. (In fact, I put up the very same quote )

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Am I getting confused as to what you guys are talking about, or was that C3PO line not used in the newer SE editions as well? I know my SE DVDs have the line on them, and I believe they came from the original SE LD copies.

Again, this thread is supa-long so I may have misinterpreted this.
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It's in the 1997 version.

Moll.

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Well, I watched ANH last night on the '92 FOX LD ( that I just happened to buy for 9.99 at local used movie store along with the '89 cbs/fox ESB, for 9.99 as well!). That 3P0 line seems so outta place, it literally sounds like it was recorded on a different planet or something. I would suggest leaving that line out if possible, it really doesnt add anything to the movie. On the other hand, its not a big deal either way.
The '92 ANH played perfectly last night, all the way through. I was actually pretty impressed with the picture quality. Sure there was lots of film noise, but thats the '77 film I guess...once I dialed the brightness WAY down, the picture was very nice.
Here are my complaints with the LD, the stupid tie fighter blocks are still noticable in some of the later space battle scenes. Also, the final scene with the fake people on both sides at the ceremony is so obvious I laughed.
All in all, I got chills when I heard Han say "Yes, I bet you have" with all that sarcasm, rather than "I bet you have." Then, wait Greedo never got a shot off, that's right...

So am I correct in assuming the definitive lds do not have that C3P0 line? I'd leave it out if you can, unless it sounds better than the 92 Fox version...cause that was noticably out of place.
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This is the most comprehensive website listing every LD and CED release ever made:
The Star Wars VideoDisc site
According to this there is no 1992 release, only the '89 WS LD and the '93 DC. Enjoy!
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Originally posted by: TR47
This is the most comprehensive website listing every LD and CED release ever made:
The Star Wars VideoDisc site
According to this there is no 1992 release, only the '89 WS LD and the '93 DC. Enjoy!


That is a good site but I would have to say that it is not all that comprehensive if it is missing the 1992 re-release of the '89 LD with the corrected aspect ratio:

You can find information on the '92 re-release here:

http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/ep4.htm