Info: Recommended Editions of Disney Animated (and Partially Animated) Features — Page 15

Yes, you're right - I do have a Fuji copy from approx. '84. In fact, I'll check both those frames right now and see what they look like.

I agree on the muted colors (as most of the Disney early stuff tended to be fairly muted) but muted colors don't necessarily make a print "original." I have a 1971 IB Tech print of Sleeping Beauty (that I believe was discussed somewhere in this thread or over at AMPS) that has really bright, vibrant colors. Now I know that the artists and the sensibilities changed from '37 to '59, but I don't think muted vs. nonmuted is always the tell...

I think the seller has the dates wrong. I wonder if he's confusing it with the 1993 restoration. I don't remember, nor could I find any info on an '83 restoration. The only stuff I could find/remember reading was about the rerelease for the 50th in 1987...

Also remember that the cut-off date as it were for true low-fade Fuji (which this print undoubtedly is - no Fuji-purple cast as was common for pre-84 stock) is 1984. Now, I suppose that it could have been a 1983 restoration printed the following year on 1984 Fuji stock, but I'm dubious.

For what it's worth, here are some photos taken of my 16mm IB Tech Sleeping Beauty. As I said, "muted colors" don't necessarily mean original. I have a print of Pinocchio on low-fade stock (LPP, IIRC) and the colors are pretty vibrant. I estimate the date of that print somewhere around 1982 or '83.

Here is that controversial scene from SB with the "green orb":

And the final scenes, to really show eye-popping color:

ww12345, can you show us some frames from your print of SW?

Yeah, I'll see if I can get some posted today - maybe even from those same scenes as the 35mm print.

Wow too bad there´s a Fuji reel. The LPP reels look simply amazing.

The Snow White 35mm listing seems to have been taken down.

That shot with the bluebird is perplexing - that's the kind of ghosting you'd see if you took a photo of the film being projected. But this looks like a scan of a frame.

Someone should get that Lion King 16mm. It looks amazing, and what's the chance a 35mm will ever surface?

(Hopefully, someday a 16mm of BATB surfaces - I haven't seen the actual theatrical timing outside of VHS/LD since 1991...)

Scans from Snow White are coming in just a few moments.

With regard to the scan that Dr. M posted on the previous page, I am scanning those frames right now. From what I can tell, that is an error from whatever medium that screenshot came from - it does not appear on the original print. The plot thickens... :)

Well, maybe I spoke too soon. Here's a quick and dirty scan of the frame in question. Of the 24-48 frames around that section, this is one of only like 3 or 4 that are double exposed. The only thing I can figure is the early animation "cheat" techniques that Disney was working with at the time (like double frames and such...)

OK, if someone can tell me how to save images from that eBay auction, I'll post them up here. I have the page open still in my browser, so I can save the images and post them along with the 16mm images. It took a lot longer than I figured to find the exact frames referenced in the auction, but I did it.

These scans had the white and black levels auto-corrected (based on soundtrack) - they don't represent the true colors, but are really, really close IMHO.

Here's the full album with the unresized and unrecolored pictures:

http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/ww123-2008/library/Snow%20White%20-%20Fuji

Also, if anybody wants to take a guess at the edge-code markings to reference a date, be my guess. The 16mm neg appears to have been an Eastman neg, but was printed over onto Fuji LP stock (a stock which many people claim doesn't exist, but check the edge-codes for yourselves).

ww12345 said:

OK, if someone can tell me how to save images from that eBay auction, I'll post them up here.

I seem to be able to right-click and Save As all images on eBay in the current Firefox. A month or two back I had to resort to tricks like Inspect Element or searching the source for the JPG URLs... so try that.

OK, I'll see if I can get that done and reposted sometime tonight...

drngr said:

ww12345 said:

OK, if someone can tell me how to save images from that eBay auction, I'll post them up here.

I seem to be able to right-click and Save As all images on eBay in the current Firefox. A month or two back I had to resort to tricks like Inspect Element or searching the source for the JPG URLs... so try that.

There are browser addons that enable this functionality.  I'm currently using one called "ebay - item description - save enlarged pix" for Firefox, but there are probably others out there.

The main thing I like about this one is that it enables drag and drop saving which is much faster for me.

Mazaliche said:

I'd love to see a 16mm ( or even 8mm ) of the segment with the censored scenes from "Fantasia" show up, now THAT would be nice. All I've seen are very low-res videos. And if some of the more technically-gifted fans were to clean it up and re-insert it in the segment, that would also be great, wouldn't it?

As it so happens ...

There was an episode of Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color (A.K.A. Disneyland) entitled Magic And Music (season 4: episode 22 -- 1958) that aired The Pastoral Symphony segment of Fantasia, pre-censored!

The Disney Wiki - Magic and Music
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_and_Music

Before censorship:                                                After censorship:
 
                                        and ... *poof* ... black centaurette be-gone.

(In fact, there were many Disney TV offerings featuring full and partial sequences of Fantasia. See quite a nice listing at
IMDb - Fantasia (1940) Connections
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032455/movieconnections
under Featured In.)

Also ... as it so happens ...

eBay: 16mm - Magic and Music '58 Disney Hosted by Magic Mirror Fantasia Pastoral
http://www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Magic-and-Music-58-Disney-Hosted-by-Magic-Mirror-Fantasia-Pastoral-/161140681625
has 3+ days left, as of this posting. There is some film-fade but it's not too bad. That's good to keep away some bidders who don't know of OT projects.   ;)

(If anyone is thinking of going for it as an OT project, it might be a good idea to let others know, so there's no pointless bidding war.)

I bought an earlier copy of that, and if it is the educational short (for schools) it has been severely edited down. The Pastoral in mine runs about 6 minutes in total. I believe we have the same copy - the eBay one is mounted on an 800ft reel, and runs about 20min, which is approximately the same running time and length as mine.

Aw, too bad about that. I checked YouTube's Disneytv4me https://www.youtube.com/user/Disneytv4me and most of his Disneyland programs (although some look like B&W spliced-on openings & closings with color content -- from Wonderful World Of Color re-issues?) run 50+ minutes.

A check of the Fantasia DVD shows The Pastoral Symphony sequence runs 22 minutes and the middle centaurs section (Second Movement?) runs 9 minutes. If those school-educational versions have that middle part (or at least the pre-censored Sunflower segments) that might be good enough.

additional thought:
There is supposed to be a videotape-transfer-to-DVD of this Disney TV rebroadcast (still pre-censored) from the 1990's(?) floating around. That one should be the full 50+ minute show. Anyone know anything about it and it's content (I'm thinking the full Pastoral)?

   Excited to hear those segments might turn up. But you know, the black centaurette was only present in a handful of shots, and even a shortened version might be, as Spaced Ranger mentioned, "good enough" if it happens to include those specific shots.

   Keeping my fingers crossed here.

OK, we have an opportunity to buy a 35mm IB Tech print of Alice in Wonderland for $750. I'd be willing to put up $150 - if we could raise enough money to buy the print we could do a bang-up job of preserving it... Just putting it out there.