I'll take your point on that Ender but I think the issue I guess comes down to scale...
Those cruisers are big but nowhere near as big as a Planet.
But If we had a better scale reference to them being destroyed It might make it a bit more plausible.
They can shoot at Endor the Gas giant....
Or threaten to shoot this one...
Add another planet or sattelite in to the equation in the surrounding space similar to our own dead moon perhaps is another alternative
I believe there's even some EU-canon saying that the ability to dial-down the superlaser for ship-sized blasts was a DSII upgrade.
It's not that the DSII chooses a smaller target that bugs me, it's just the visuals. The same blast that crushed a planet is now seen splatting a comparatively tiny ship. If the blast didn't stop and instead blasts through the ship and cuts through the rest of the assembled fleet taking out another command ship, several fighters and separating the fleet into two groups on either side of the blast, it would be visually more in line and much more threatening.
Since watching the Editroid Laser Disc I noticed an Audio Line that I was pining after...
"Master Yoda"
Ok we are in the throne Room on the Death Star and Vader says to Luke
"Obi-wan has taught you well"
Hang on a minute Vader Killed him a while ago he also fought Luke in Empire Strikes Back knowing that he could have Beaten him.
So Luke says "I will not fight you father"
Now I don't disagree with that response but I think it would be a better to Hear "Master Yoda" as a response to Vader at this moment. It is a Huge shocking Revelation that would Make Vader / Ankakin's Blood boil and serve as a correction. Note I called him Anakin because It Brings him Back to people he once knew.
Vader does also get annoyed so It works as he says "you are unwise to lower your defenses" Bam slams in with a Light Sabre.
Job Done
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
I imagine they weren't firing at full strength so they could fire faster or something.
Destroying a large capital ship with a single blast must be useful in a combat situation like the one in the film.
It would be fun if there was more than one focusing dish this time so the station didn't have to wait so long for the target to get into range.
It is a fairly reasonable impending Doom that tips the Balance of the space Battle in the Empires favor.
But it does not feel like the ticking time bomb and it's not played off against the attack run.
Perhaps if the Death star kept Shooting down a few more capital ships whilst they were trying to destroy it that would go some way to fixing the lack of tension of what was causing them to potentially lose the battle.
In this case the Executor should probably fall away and break apart not hitting the death star
Bingowings said:
I imagine they weren't firing at full strength so they could fire faster or something.
Destroying a large capital ship with a single blast must be useful in a combat situation like the one in the film.
It would be fun if there was more than one focusing dish this time so the station didn't have to wait so long for the target to get into range.
This is exactly right. If you've got a weapon with variable firepower, it could serve even better as a weapon. What good is an elephant gun with one round when you're facing a flock of carnivorous chickens? Better to have a gun that can fire repeatedly and accurately against small enemies as well as big targets.
Wait, is Bingowings defending something from ROTJ???
Ronster said:
Perhaps if the Death star kept Shooting down a few more capital ships whilst they were trying to destroy it that would go some way to fixing the lack of tension of what was causing them to potentially lose the battle.
I do like this idea. I also really wish that we would see the order to destroy Endor from the Emperor, as well as Jerjerrod following that last order. I think that drastically adds to the tension, especially with proper music and color correction. I did include a rough job of this in my signature in part 4, and I think it works well in concept.
I kind of think the destroying a planet idea is a paradox...On further thought.
Although that 100% recycles the original film that is also bad I think.
I particularly liked Jerjerrod deleted scenes... He is just such a slime
Shame about the quality of the footage.
If you're going to recycle the Death Star anyway, I don't know how planet destruction is one too far.
darth_ender said:
Ronster said:
Perhaps if the Death star kept Shooting down a few more capital ships whilst they were trying to destroy it that would go some way to fixing the lack of tension of what was causing them to potentially lose the battle.I do like this idea. I also really wish that we would see the order to destroy Endor from the Emperor, as well as Jerjerrod following that last order. I think that drastically adds to the tension, especially with proper music and color correction. I did include a rough job of this in my signature in part 4, and I think it works well in concept.
The ebook contains a clip of Ian McDiarmid reading those lines, so it's probably doable now, between that and the Jerjerrod deleted scene on the blu-ray.
The other interesting clip I thought on the ebook was Lando and Han's goodbye in the hangar. With some careful editing that scene could become something much more emotional and less cheesy. It's in black and white so way beyond my skills to fix, but Adywan could probably do something with it.
Reegar said:
If you're going to recycle the Death Star anyway, I don't know how planet destruction is one too far.
To create a giant superweapon is stupid. Better to create several small weapons that could effectively do the same thing without so much energy. They would be cheaper to build and maintain, could be in several places at once, and thus cause more damage without exhausting as much finite resources. Fact of the matter is, the Emperor is not necessarily interested in what is smart or most judicious. He is interested in what is most terrifying and morale destroying. What did he care most about during the Battle of Endor? The generator? The Death Star? The Imperial Fleet? Crushing the Rebel Fleet? No, he cared most about winning his prize apprentice, Luke Skywalker. And in a pinch, destroying the Rebels on Endor would effectively further crush his morale and drive him closer to the Dark Side,
whilst your right on emperor "motives"
The Death Star II is pretty close to the planet... I suppose it could move away but then that makes flying through narrow tunnels totally implausible too. Unless it had already moved.
I think ok so the Emperor gives the order to blow up Endor. Best place for that? Vader threatens to go after his sister if he does not turn. Now the emperor is going to blow them up or what cut the line about converting his sister?
You can't really show any scared looks on the faces of Han and Leia... You could treat it as they would not need to know about it. But you would have to have some kind of dialogue that the Rebel Fleet would be aware of that situation.
I think it's still too tricky and a bad idea to try to recycle an idea 100% and would be better to just see the fleet being slowly degraded in numbers to the point of near defeat.
This only my opinion.
Heres a really Radical Idea..... And quite Evil
Have the Deathstar II actually Blow up Endor Moon with Han and Leia Chewbacca and the Ewoks.
This is the point that Luke flys into a Rage.
There would be a hell of a lot of emotion in that.
But then how do you end the film from here...So even if it's am edit you know it won't happen this way.
That would probably supercharge Luke so much he would reflect Pulpateen's lighting at him and chuck the old git down the well all on his own.
Indeed but i think it would make a horrible ending
when idid a rough cut of rotj I used a small excerpt from Vader on the oprrating table PT scene for a flashback...
This ultramachete episodic re-arrangement although i think there is a possibility it could work the prequal trilogy guts of the story could be told in around 30 minutes with an ubermachete and a single trilogy would remain.
ANH, ESB and ROTJ could contain some flash backs that would tell the relevant back story in an ordered an perhaps even altered manner without telling all.
But i am not so sure about how...what or where or alterations i am pondering.
In ANH after Ben tells Luke About his father you could insert here and introduce young obiwan
Later in ANH you could have finding out about the clone army from ATOC
in Esb when the falcon jumps away to light speed you could show the conclusion to the duel in ROTS or an edited version
Just some rambling at the moment but it could be scattered story totally out of chronological order
ben_danger said:
Do the ewoks have to defeat the stormtroopers? or could they just momentarily distract them for the rebels to break free and fight their way to the bunker?
Haven't read the whole thread, so maybe this has been mentioned, but I saw this comment and I just had an idea, though I don't know how this could ever be pulled off in an edit...
ben_danger is right- the Ewoks DON'T have to defeat the stormtroopers or "win" in any way whatsoever. All they have to do is briefly distract the stormtroopers until the rebels can get to the bunker.
The Ewoks are completely outclassed by the Empire- they're small animals with primitive weaponry. Essentially, they launch a SUICIDE attack against the Imperials. They KNOW they will suffer massive casualties, but it's necessary in order to achieve that initial distraction so that the rebels can win the day.
If the movie could somehow convey to the audience that the Ewoks know they are going to make this hopeless suicide attack... I think that would make them much more interesting characters, and add more tension. Like, there could be a solemn scene the night before the battle where the Ewok leaders have a discussion, and 3P0 translates and explains how the Ewoks are willing to sacrifice most of their tribe to defeat the Empire. I'm also picturing a scene where after the Ewoks have done their job (the distraction), they basically get surrounded by stormtroopers and are utterly annihilated. You'd feel sympathy for them, and understand that they made a selfless sacrifice against hopeless odds.
Or who knows, maybe this is even more melodramatic and too serious and worse than what's in the film...
Already done, this is the current solution
Whoever it was that conjured the idea of Luke and Leia talking about their mother by moving it to the end of the film prior to the Victory Celebrations I can definitely get behind. Of course the talk about Luke having to face Vader and Han appearing will need to be removed. The only problem with this though is how to setup Luke surrendering to Vader earlier on.
“Did you know, the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?! Look it up.”
In other words the whole idea is unworkable???
A shame really! :-(
“Did you know, the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?! Look it up.”
There are two pilots who get close-ups in their cock pits at the battle of Endor, who were played by women but who got their lines dubbed by men ...
Do give them back their original voices, or at least female voices to show that there is gender diversity within the Rebel Alliance.
I believe Adywan wants to do this with his edits.
Ronster said:
Reegar said:
If you're going to recycle the Death Star anyway, I don't know how planet destruction is one too far.
To blow up a whole planet to put to rest a Lambda Shuttle full of rebels is stupid
The Gas giant Endor has no strategic value and really cannot be given one.
So I'm calling for more Rebel capital ships to bite the dust. It's the only way of showing the terror of the deathstar slowly destroying the Rebels and they must stop it before it destroys them all.
I was speaking in general.