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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 438

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I haven't seen it discussed, unless I missed it. Is the 2.5 on the newsgroup glitch free? Thanks.

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Harmy said:

I never noticed it until it was pointed out to me.

Never noticed what? Sorry, having some computer problems and I can't find the source for your comment, Harmy.

It’s really sad when the “creative minds” behind something we hold dear are also guilty of its destruction.

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Guys, guys, guys... the best way to explain anything is to just show it. Here's something I put together quickly using Harmy's Despecialized 1.0 (yeah, yeah, I know, but I had to make room on my harddrive and I'm waiting for the Bluray) and the ISOmix set. So here, picture in picture are the 77 and 81 crawls. 

https://mega.co.nz/#!uQ4zwKpa!Pu9SdzmNw-bZaUWN0OeDPTba6y9BP_gShQc9FM2X-Fw

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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CatBus said:

Gogogadget said:

i've never liked the incorrect cue and it's totally lazy of Lucasfilm to never go back and fix this.

I both love it and hate it.  I treat it kinda like the stormtrooper headbonk.  Every time I see it, I think [in director voice]: "Early! Tatooine, listen for your cue! Now go back into the starfield and wait for it this time!"


The stormtrooper banging his head does get a laugh out of me tbh (something i'm surprised exists in the 2004 SE), but an error that seems so easy to fix and still existing to this day, i'm not too hot on.

Doesn't the incorrect musical cue issue also pop up in ESB & ROTJ?

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Gogogadget said:

CatBus said:

Gogogadget said:

i've never liked the incorrect cue and it's totally lazy of Lucasfilm to never go back and fix this.

I both love it and hate it.  I treat it kinda like the stormtrooper headbonk.  Every time I see it, I think [in director voice]: "Early! Tatooine, listen for your cue! Now go back into the starfield and wait for it this time!"



Doesn't the incorrect musical cue issue also pop up in ESB & ROTJ?

I don't see why it would, the opening crawls were not changed. 

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Error or not, you'll notice they specifically gave that accident a pronounced bonking sound effect.  In short, they embraced the messed up take.  Why they'd embrace a simple timing muck up on the opening of the movie, though, I have no idea.

Not sure why you'd think ESB and ROTJ would have musical cue issues, it only occurred in original Star Wars because they later added in the episode number and title, the sequels always had episode numbers and titles... and they didn't flyover Tatooine...

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Gogogadget said:

...but an error that seems so easy to fix and still existing to this day, i'm not too hot on.

It's not lazy of them not to fix it, it was lazy of them to have broken it. My completely unsubstantiated opinion is that redoing the crawl for the '81 release was a quick job and Marcia wasn't involved. Anyone with a head for good film editing would have caught and fixed it before it saw the light of day. One of the reasons I so strongly prefer the '77 crawl is that good editing is one of the things that distinguishes the originals from the SE's, and having a big editing botch-up right at the start kinda ruins that part of things.

When the stormtrooper bonks his head, it seems OK to laugh. When Tatooine comes into view, it somehow seems wrong to laugh even though the '81 crawl begs you to do it.

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yoda-sama said:

Error or not, you'll notice they specifically gave that accident a pronounced bonking sound effect.  In short, they embraced the messed up take.  Why they'd embrace a simple timing muck up on the opening of the movie, though, I have no idea.

Not sure why you'd think ESB and ROTJ would have musical cue issues, it only occurred in original Star Wars because they later added in the episode number and title, the sequels always had episode numbers and titles... and they didn't flyover Tatooine...

I dunno why but i thought ESB started with a reveal of Hoth in the same way as Tatooine, anyway...

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They panned down to a Star Destroyer which was launching probes.  Which, when you think about it, probably would not necessarily have to have been all that near to Hoth, just in the same system...  The Hoth reveal was from a shot tracking a probe.

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I haven't been able to visit OT.com much in recent years, but I just found this fan edit and had to login to say:

THANK YOU TO ALL INVOLVED.

Seriously, this is absolutely amazing. The time, love and dedication you've invested to create this is impressive beyond words. I watched this last night and it took my breath away. 

I just want to say you have my deepest gratitude.

Warmest Regards,

Zack

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I don't want to contribute to focusing this thread on Star Wars "errors" when it's actually about the Despecialized Edition, but regarding the stormtrooper hitting his head:

Putting aside for a moment the likeliness that the actor playing the stormtrooper wasn't scripted to do that and that this was captured in the take that ended up being used...... why is it necessary to view this as something that's wrong with the movie, and why is it necessary to view its removal as a "fix"? Is there something about the inherent nature of stormtroopers that makes a particular stormtrooper bumping into something an impossible event? Couldn't a stormtrooper making a mistake on screen be viewed as something that adds realism to the world of the movie? Anyway, that's my perspective on it. I think some people prefer to view it as an error instead of the approach I'm taking because pointing out things that are "wrong" with a movie makes a person feel clever.

A lot of details end up in movies that weren't planned but are still realistic and give the movie character. I think if a fan makes an edit of Star Wars focused on fixing errors in the movie, they should fix things like the shirt that changes color between shots, but leave the stormtrooper head-bang alone (I will refrain from mentioning a particular fan edit to keep this from being personal).

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That is interesting... I had never noticed that stormtrooper hitting his head on the door until a few months ago. I guess I must have been looking at the other stormtroopers during that scene, but I did notice the change in shirt color from scene to scene however, and wondered the same thing.

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Like a couple people have already said, all the hundreds of times I've watched the crawl/flyover with "A New Hope" and episode number, I've never felt that the music didn't go just fine with what I was watching until I was told by people on here that there's a problem with it. It doesn't feel like there's something wrong if you don't know any better.

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deepanddark20 said:

Is there something about the inherent nature of stormtroopers that makes a particular stormtrooper bumping into something an impossible event?

Not impossible, funny.  The stormtroopers are trying to do something very serious and menacing and the headbonk completely undermines that.  It doesn't really matter if it's realistic or not.  If a bank robber in the real world cracked his skull on the doorway on the way out of the bank, it'd be funny.  If you were a policeman reviewing the bank's security tapes, tell me you wouldn't be tempted to rewind and watch him bonk his head again.  Yeah it's slapstick, but maybe I'm just lowbrow.

The dramatic reveal of a planet where the whole planet misses its cue by a good few seconds is funny too.  The thing that makes the latter clearly an error is that the musical cue was obviously intended, as shown by the '77 crawl.  Yeah, obviously you wouldn't laugh if you didn't notice, but assuming you notice, it's funny.

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Regarding the stormtrooper, Catbus, I heartily agree with you. My words weren't directed at your viewpoint, but at the viewpoint that insists that it's a flaw with the movie. Things that are funny happen in real life all the time.

Our viewpoints are complimentary, not contradictory. You were talking about whether or not it's funny, and for that it doesn't really matter if it's realistic or not, like you said.

But I was talking about whether or not a faneditor with the goal of fixing "flaws" in Star Wars could leave the stormtrooper shot alone on the basis that it could actually happen, so for my point it does matter if it's realistic. That doesn't conflict with seeing it as funny.

What makes me put the shirt-color-change in a different category than the stormtrooper headbump is the potential for actually happening. But could they both get a laugh? Sure.

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One question will Harmy add the bonus material from the 04 DVD's and the BD releases such as original trailers and TV spots, The Making Of Star Wars and the original deleted scenes?

What’s worse George Lucas changing the OT or selling the rights to Disney

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And would you have a problem if somebody else would do such an "unofficial" bonus disc?

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I guess I could have those added in.

What’s worse George Lucas changing the OT or selling the rights to Disney

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pittrek said:

And would you have a problem if somebody else would do such an "unofficial" bonus disc?

Well, no, I wouldn't have a problem with that at all, but this has been discussed before - it would be a generic SW bonus disc, not a DeEd specific one. All known OT SW bonus material on say one BD25 in the best available quality is something I'd be personally very interested in, actually - but while it could certainly be used as a bonus disc to put together with the DeEd, it would have nothing to do with the project itself.

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All the minor errors and continuity problems in Star Wars are simply a sign of the times in which the film was made, at least originally. In 77, home video didn't exist yet and Lucas I am sure never dreamed fans would be scrutinizing every frame of Star Wars 35 years later.

The head "bonk" was likely filmed during the time when Fox execs were pressuring Lucas to finish the production fast or be shut down. 3 units filmed simultaneously during the final week(s) and I am sure something as minor as the head bonk was simply deemed too minor to re-film. As time went on and it was possible to fix, maybe it was thought of as a mistake that gave the movie character. I don't know.

People forget that even adjusted for inflation, this was a low-budget movie. Things changing color or disappearing from shot to shot were due to budgetary restrictions as much as anything else.

I saw this film in theaters in 77 and I never noticed the stormtrooper hitting his head, or the shrubs that appeared in the Lars household, or the hundreds of other minor fixes fans feel a compulsion to change now. No one cared. It was fun to watch and that's what mattered.

Now, the music cue was lazy, but until a few months ago, I didn't notice that either.

 

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waspattck said:

In 77, home video didn't exist yet

Yes, it did.

My coworker owned an RCA VBT200 VCR in 1977 (it was released in the US on August 23, 1977).

In 1978, his father purchased him a bootleg VHS of Star Wars: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/NEW-possibly-2nd-Generation-77-78-Bootleg/topic/14341/

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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Since you mention it, how is the new PS78 transfer coming along?

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yoda-sama said:

Since you mention it, how is the new PS78 transfer coming along?

It's on the back-burner, but I think I'll just do a quick capture using my Panasonic DMR-ES10 DVD recorder this weekend so that there's at least something non-raw available.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

—Teams Jetrell Fo 1, Jetrell Fo 2, and Jetrell Fo 3