Turns out the guy I thought had an Elite did, then he got rid of it. Needless to say I'm not happy, and neither is after I told him what a huge monetary mistake he made. If you live in either the Bay Area or in Seattle and have a uber LD player, and would like a set of my films, and will let me use your player to make them, please PM me. Basically I am looking for people with Pioneer Elite LD players. Thanks guys.