My star wars prequel trilogy fan Edit (new episode I, II, and III) (* unfinished project *) — Page 2

There have been a number of suggestions of workarounds for this sort of problem.

Ady will be using one (not sure which one yet).

To build a false Vader he has to have some of the attributes of the real one (be trained by Obi-Wan and failed, have a reason to wear a mask, killing Jedi a plus).

To make it less obvious he could appear with Anakin.

Redubbing Grevious is one obvious candidate.

If Obi-Wan is not allowed to train Anakin because of a previous pupil going bad and then having a cyborg Jedi killer in the story people will assume that the General is the fallen pupil who later gets repackaged as Lord Vader.

It's weird that Lucas didn't consider this.

Having the fake pupil is such a stupid idea to me. Seriously, this whole tip-toeing around the Darth Vader thing is just insane. Everyone knows at this point, and everyone is going to know in the future. And any attempt to try to change that in a fan edit is going to sacrifice the enjoyment and coherence of the story.

Yeah... you and some others may feel that way but the OP expressed an interest in trying it but was giving up.

I was suggesting one way (just one there must be others) of keeping 'the secret'. Yes we have all seen ESB so it's not a true secret but these are episodes 1 to 3 not Star Wars the flashback movies. The trick with this aapproach is to pretend you didn't know and watch the films unfold as if you didn't.

There are many good things in the PT?

Not really, but to give Obi Wan a second apprentice would just mess the OT in a worse way. Because at the end of the day, we've seen Anakin's fall anyways, and we've seen obi wan fight him.

Even if all the signals pointed that Vader was this second character, we would have presenced Anakin not being as great as Obi Wan described him. We'd even know that ObiWan is lying because if Anakin dies at mustafar, it wasn't vader who killed him...

That would make the ESB moment be a meh, it's not X, it's the other bad guy turned evil in III.

PT set up a story which is far from this possibility with the material we've got.

Besides there's great potential in the story to make it a real tragedy, really.

Do we have to see the whole of that disco inferno?

It's pretty much a generic CGI dance off.

I think it could be edited down to a few minutes where we see Obi-Wan face down a former pupil and defeat him without ever knowing who he was.

Obi Wan Having two apprentices doesn't really work.

1 being it was NEVER mentioned in the OT.

2 it would WAY too confusing in the OT if that were the case.

3 being IMPOSSIBLE to pull off, with out some really good CGI or EXACT look a likes of Ewan Mcgregor and Hayden Christensen if not them. It would just be better to re make the PT which I nor I assume anyone else including J.J. Abrams is going to do.

Its plain and simple. Anakin and ONLY Anakin is Obi Wan's apprentice. I may not be able to keep Darth Vader's identity a secret but I can hopefully bring the PT In line with the OT.

Bingowings said:

Do we have to see the whole of that disco inferno?

It's pretty much a generic CGI dance off.

I think it could be edited down to a few minutes where we see Obi-Wan face down a former pupil and defeat him without ever knowing who he was.

I hate the duel as well. If I were ever to make an edit, I'd just make them leave, quite the fighting at some early point, like two honorable warriors who respect each other.

When I left you I was but a learner. 

The phantom edit has horrible picture quality...

True, But its my only option.

That doesn't make any sense.  If you're against downloading a copy of the official version, why not just download a different fanedit to use?  Using plainly inferior source material is pointless and is going to turn everybody off of this project.  Who wants to watch something that is needlessly low in quality?  

Do we want to watch Harmy's despecialized oot, or do we want to watch the official 2006 GOUT?

You want to use the best source material possible.  There is no justifying using poor quality material when higher quality is EASILY available.  Not downing your work or ideas otherwise, just trying to give some advice.  It may not seem like a big deal to you, but it's going to deter alot of people from watching it.   

Yeah, some HD source would be ideal. And I suggest you start with the villain change to see what can be done about that, because as someone who has been learning to do some effects work, I know that it's gonna be a lot of work for you. Looks like you are planning some ambitious changes!

OKAY. UPDATE: I have looked around my house and have since found a copy of TPM that my grandfather made and has far superior quality. Granted its not the blue ray quality but much more  passable. Still has a pink tone to it but its fixable 

To be CLEAR I am by NO means Against HD. I work wt HD Footage all the time I crave it.  

Made?

Yeah we used to go to the video store (remember those days) and then we would copy them on to blank disks.

His name isn't John Silver is it?

No

ThomasBolt said:

Yeah we used to go to the video store (remember those days) and then we would copy them on to blank disks.

So are you sure there was no loss in quality?

Yes. I compared it to a copy of ATOC with the DVD of ATOC ans it looks exactly the same. So its not a problem

Wait, what?  If you have a DVD of AOTC, why not just use that?

So... your not against HD footage... you crave HD footage... so you're using a copied DVD? Wtf.  Do you not get it?  There is NO reason NOT to use the best quality footage possible.  Seriously.  WHO wants to watch an edit based off of clearly inferior source footage when there are so many HD edits around? Anybody?

And I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that you could even come CLOSE to making these changes when you don't even understand the very basic concepts of video quality.

NO. There's no question the blue rays are the best source. But I don't have a blue ray disk drive. Yes I could down load another fan edit that's in HD but I need the full unedited film. Yes I could Download an HD version of TPM but on my computer it takes so long down load a torrent file through bit torrent. I'm sure that experience is typical.

NO I completely understand video quality. I work with HD footage all the time. And I Do professional video Work everyday. Its the Circumstances is the reason I'm not using the blue rays. An if I could use the blue ray's NO QUESTION I would do it.

And you have to understand I'm Partially doing this to exercise my editing skills. Just to see How far I can stretch it.