regularjoe said:
What we do know is that there is 20 years between trilogies and that one is seen under construction at the end of #3. That doesn't mean that the one that you see at the end of #3 is the same one in #4.
It sure is the simplest, most obvious interpretation of what is shown to the viewer, with nothing to contradict it.
Maybe one was dragged backwards in time 1000 years and helped the Vorlons defeat Hank Marvin.
timdiggerm said:
muddyknees2000 said:
BOOM.
Or, after they're done with it: pffffft
It kinda just goes 'pffffft' as it is. And then turns to glitter, as Bing has pointed out.
Reuse the 1st DS in Jedi or not, its explosion in Star Wars needs an update. I've been underwhelmed with it since my first viewing. It's like popping a balloon full of glitter. And the SE ring just made it worse.
I had an idea a while ago, I'm not sure if it will work. If anyone could figure out how to do it, it might be interesting.
So, the celebration is going on while Luke is a the pyre. After the pan up to fireworks, cut back down to him seeing the celebration in the trees (repurposed ESB footage), and walking toward it. Rest of it normally. By normally I mean how I described it in my wish list.
I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.
Along with this old idea
To make Goldenrod less of a military hazard. I thought there could be an old smashed up protocol droid back at the Ewok village.
A remnant of an earlier encounter with off worlders long worshiped.
Which would explain how the Ewoks instantly fall under Threepio's spell.
Another thing that has bugged me since 1983 is why do the Ewoks dress up Leia??
An they seem to spend a lot of time making her do her hair (I can't believe Leia would under those circumstances).
One presumes to create an excuse for a costume variant action figure but what if...
or
Not so cuddly now.
It's rough, but here you go:
That's the spirit.
I'm really surprised Lucas didn't do this.
Lets be frank the Ewoks, the Gungans and the Neimodians are place holders for the sort of ethnic exotica that used to be found in travelogue adventure serials like Tarzan, Fu Manchu and the original Kong.
Ewoks aren't cannibal black people (they only eat aliens) but the drums, the spears etc
The trappings are there but shifted in such a way that they aren't as racially worrying as those classic stories look to modern eyes (Jar-Jar maybe should have been a bit more shifted but I digress).
Even Jabba is a filtered version of the fat sultan characters in Scherazade adaptations.
Leia in actual peril might be impossible to do and would possibly be sexist overkill after the metal bikini and all but hinting at it with a cut to the trappings of sacrifice (enough for the audience to get the idea)
If it was foreshadowed by something like
could give the Ewoks a bit more umph!.
If Luke used the Force against their 'sacrificial engine' (monster/idol/altar) it would cement Threepio's divine influence more than just floating in the air (the baddies can do that at speed on their bikes so the Ewoks wouldn't be impressed).
dabest13 said:
I'm not crazy about re-using Yavin.... If the Empire wanted to reuse the Death Star, it would make sense for them to tow the remains to a a more secure location of Endor where they could put up a shield generator to protect it instead of keeping things put in a place the Rebels are already familiar with.
Unless it was a trap.
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
Monroville said:
My sweet Lord... that's were I got that idea from :-D
In defense of the Wicket/Leia scene.
My only objection to it is there is more value in not knowing what happened to Leia and not seeing the Ewoks as potentially friendly before the other heroes meet them.
After more demented babble from me I got another idea (no idea how possible this is but here it comes).
Instead of Madine and Ackbar allocating Solo and Lando their places in the battle why not instead have General Skywalker (the only general of the bunch) do it.
He has seen the future and has seen Han, Leia, Chewie and the droids on Endor and Lando in the Falcon.
That way it actually makes sense that they are there.
Threepio comes in handy but they have no way of knowing that before hand.
Indeed it would make more sense to leave him at home (unless you have had a vision from the Force).
Similarly Leia has no real need to be there.
She is a political leader with some combat skills but she doesn't even lead the group so why isn't she with the fleet?
But if Luke has had a vision it makes sense.
Maybe the briefing could be reworked so Luke is there all the time and Ackbar explains the plan devised by General Skywalker.
You could even have a technician ask if they want to paint Threepio but Luke says he has to be Gold (in order to awe the Ewoks but he doesn't know that for sure yet).
Is there enough material in the radio dramas etc to construct enough dialogue to get this impression across (along with new dialogue from Ackbar or Madine possibly)?
Another ROTJ taste variation.
What if we don't see Yoda die?
Luke has his conversation with Yoda who isn't very well.
He tells Luke Vader is his father and Luke says sorry for running off.
Luke leaves Yoda alive but unwell.
At the end of the film we see him as a Force ghost so we find out he died later.
It might make his death seem less abrupt and midcoversational.
Bingowings said:
Another ROTJ taste variation.
What if we don't see Yoda die?
Luke has his conversation with Yoda who isn't very well.
He tells Luke Vader is his father and Luke says sorry for running off.
Luke leaves Yoda alive but unwell.
At the end of the film we see him as a Force ghost so we find out he died later.
It might make his death seem less abrupt and midcoversational.
That's actually how it happened in the comic adaptation. I think his death is fine actually, but I can see the counterargument.
I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.
Bingowings said:
Another ROTJ taste variation.
What if we don't see Yoda die?
Luke has his conversation with Yoda who isn't very well.
He tells Luke Vader is his father and Luke says sorry for running off.
Luke leaves Yoda alive but unwell.
At the end of the film we see him as a Force ghost so we find out he died later.
It might make his death seem less abrupt and midcoversational.
Love this idea. But what about the following conversation with Obi-Wan? It already needs to be re-worked, but even more so if Yoda is still alive and doesn't die mid-revelation.
There is no real complications on that score.
Luke worried about not being able to go on alone without his dead master isn't that different from not being able to go on without his dying master.
I would have the Ben part of the story happen on Tatooine myself but nothing he says indicates Yoda is dead, it just acknowledges that Luke is grieving and that process can start before death if you know someone you care about is already on their way out.
I could see the Force Ghosts not making an appearance at all. Nothing against Yoda, Obi and Luke's dad... but it's already a bit too cute and "family picture time!" (like ANH). I say go from the party to Luke starting the pyre and end with the camera panning up to the sky (and going to the other worlds).
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
Bingowings said:
There is no real complications on that score.
Luke worried about not being able to go on alone without his dead master isn't that different from not being able to go on without his dying master.
I would have the Ben part of the story happen on Tatooine myself but nothing he says indicates Yoda is dead, it just acknowledges that Luke is grieving and that process can start before death if you know someone you care about is already on their way out.
It just seems that the Obi-Wan/Luke conversation would be done with Yoda if he doesn't die while making a big revelation. Honestly though, I hardly remember the scene.. I haven't watched Jedi in many years.
It would be nice if this ended up going to a home in the fan-edit community....and the owner made it available to anyone who was interested...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141065212829?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
i wonder if in a super radical edit, that a heavily editted obi wan speech could be given AFTER the vader pyre?
surely this is the point where luke truly feels he is alone, now that the last other jedi - his father - is dead. obi wan at this point could suggest he isn't alone, and that he has his friends, at which point he goes to the ewok party.
Please take a deep breath and count backwards from ten before reading. . . (maybe do this a few times if you're quick to anger).
Would it be too morbid to wish for digitally-inserted dead Ewoks? Or, if the producer is even more ambitious: a new death scene for the primitives? We have the one in the hang-glider, yeah, but it'd make the battle more dire and dark with additional casualties.
I always felt the Battle of Endor lacked certain tension. I'm all for the good guys winning, but I want heavy prices for impossible odds. Think in ANH, where Luke does succeed in his mission, but some of his fellow pilots are lost.
Also. An image of the Ewok village burning, in vein of a ravaged Hogwarts in "Deathly Hallows: Part II".
Maybe it's out of line for a non-established member to suggest something like this, but I have given this thought after lurking on the forums for a while. The chance to register and join became irresistible, because I know this forum is a place to express productive, if not sometimes crazy and wild ideas. I have some crazy and wild ideas I had to get out there.
I was actually just recently wishing that somebody would get a hold of some good Ewok costumes and edit in some more dark ewok battle scenes.
Have the Ewoks more vicious, and also have some more of them getting killed. That makes the battle a little more dire, and it also adds some credibility to the ewoks, who are no longer as cute, cuddly, and invincible.
Eh, I think the problem is that the STORMTROOPERS are too wussy. I mean, think about it.
The Ewoks forms of fighting on the ground (no traps) make sense, considering their culture (god I can't believe I just said that). The problem is, that should only hold them off for about a few seconds. Even assuming all the troops that we see fall down don't die, that's still some pretty weak-ass armor for them to be taken out so easily.
The traps on the other hand, while definitely effective, are WAY too advanced for them to be realistically built by them. If they'd stuck with the monsters, however, I could accept it.
And of course I don't want to go the way of them going more vicious, especially since I hate it when Star Wars does anything too gruesome (I'm talking to you ROTS).
I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.
I don't mean vicious like they're ripping off limbs and eating the stormtroopers or anything xD
I just mean to make them more dangerous and aggressive. Not just teddy bears jumping on top of the stormtroopers and killing them somehow. They have spears and arrows, for instance, yet we really only see ONE arrow do any damage.
The stormtroopers are too wussy because the Ewoks are too invincible and have no credibility as combatants. If we add some shots of Ewoks being fearsome, as well as Stormtroopers being more effective at dispatching them, both problems are fixed.
aalenfae said:
I don't mean vicious like they're ripping off limbs and eating the stormtroopers or anything...
They WERE gonna eat Han & Luke....