I just watched the episode where Susan left. That was rather abrupt. He could have at least dumped her clothes before taking off. Now she has to face the post-apocalypse with only one shoe!
I highly recommend you seek out Whatever Happened To Susan Foreman?.
It's a real blast to listen to and Jane Asher takes the role and runs with it but if you can't wait here's a transcript with a few errors in it.
I love farmergeddon71's take on that scene but Youtube has blocked it.
Meanwhile:
Bah, we just got rid of Susan and now we have Vicki!?!
Bingowings said:
Meanwhile:
I've got the horrible feeling that John Hurt is going to be a better Dr than Smith, Tennant and Capaldi.
It's gonna be Derek Jacobi as the Master all over again.
Raises the Sci-Fi tastic tally of I Claudius actors again ;-)
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Rather fine fan-made titles for no:12.
I just finished the episode "The End of Time - Part Two" and that alien bar scene was the best depiction of an alien infested establishment since the Mos Eisley Cantina in the original Star Wars. As far as that episode, it was a very mixed bag. Some moments are touching, and others are just crap. I truly did not like John Simm as The Master. Roger Delgado and Anthony Ainley are the masters of The Master. Heck, even Jonathan Pryce's comic version was more suitable.
“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison
Simm suffered the same way Ainley did.
Both wanted to play the character in a more nuanced way but were ordered to dumb it down by the showrunner of the day.
I loved Derek Jacobi's Master though (both of them).
I'd like to see Simm return after the drums have been silenced (as source of his villainous actions temporal tinnitus is very dumb).
Bingowings said:
Simm suffered the same way Ainley did.
Both wanted to play the character in a more nuanced way but were ordered to dumb it down by the showrunner of the day.
I loved Derek Jacobi's Master though (both of them).
I'd like to see Simm return after the drums have been silenced (as source of his villainous actions temporal tinnitus is very dumb).
Yes, Derek Jacobi was awesome. The only reason I did not include him was the short amount of time he was on screen as the actual full blown character.
“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison
When the better half gets drunk he does that scene over and over again.
I've had so much electrical wire in my face I'm starting to think I'm a television set.
More unearthed episode rumours (never trust a tabloid).
The pendulum has swung back and forth so much on this being truth or hoax, I'm starting to feel dizzy.
However, if it's true, what a glorious 50th anniversary it will be!
Where were you in '77?
Reading between the lines it looks like at least some more of Enemy Of The World and The Web Of Fear are amongst the finds.
The latter being referenced quite a bit in the previous series which suggests these were uncovered a while back and the news has been held back as a birthday surprise.
Given the amount of 'repeats' the BBC has been so fond of giving us over the years (some welcome, some not), I still find it incredible that there was a time where they routinely and short-sightedly erased some of their output in the past.
And it's especially a tragedy that a lot of the earliest classic 'Doctor Who' episodes were lost due to this mis-management.
So while I'm keeping my expectations in check, I'm extremely pleased that *some* of these lost episodes seem to have been finally located somehow. What a great boost for the upcoming 50th Anniversary hoopla. Looks like it's now going to be another couple of days or so for the full reveal of exactly what...but fingers crossed for some complete story arcs, whatever the number found -
Latest BBC confirmation - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24448063
Press conference delayed a little - http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-lost-episodes-update-2347529
ImperialFighter said:
Given the amount of 'repeats' the BBC has been so fond of giving us over the years (some welcome, some not), I still find it incredible that there was a time where they routinely and short-sightedly erased some of their output in the past.
It's quite common sadly.
I was rewatching the Blade Runner restoration documentaries the other week and that team found all the film stock for BR, deleted material/negatives/FX footage etc on a big pallet that was marked for being destroyed. Luckily there had been a mix up so the final memo to burn it all had never gone through, and it was just sitting in limbo when they rescued it.
A read an article about a famous film Director in the early 00s who was going to do a director's cut/deluxe-DVD package etc for his film and found the studio had binned all of it without even consulting him. Years of his work and future profits gone. Wish I could remember who it was.
VIZ TOP TIPS! - PARENTS. Impress your children by showing them a floppy disk and telling them it’s a 3D model of a save icon.
Some of the more aggressive cynics I've seen weigh in on this elsewhere are dining on crow tonight. ;)
Where were you in '77?
ImperialFighter said:
Given the amount of 'repeats' the BBC has been so fond of giving us over the years (some welcome, some not), I still find it incredible that there was a time where they routinely and short-sightedly erased some of their output in the past.
And it's especially a tragedy that a lot of the earliest classic 'Doctor Who' episodes were lost due to this mis-management.
So while I'm keeping my expectations in check, I'm extremely pleased that *some* of these lost episodes seem to have been finally located somehow. What a great boost for the upcoming 50th Anniversary hoopla. Looks like it's now going to be another couple of days or so for the full reveal of exactly what...but fingers crossed for some complete story arcs, whatever the number found -
Latest BBC confirmation - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24448063
Press conference delayed a little - http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-lost-episodes-update-2347529
Sadly, nobody foresaw any value in old B&W tv shows when color came in. And even then, a popular "children's show" was probably thought of even less when it came to preserving the video master.
There was actually a bias towards syndication of B&W shows where later seasons went to color, in the U.S. anyway. I never saw a single black and white episode of Lost in Space until the late 80's. (And I had to stay up late on weekends when a local channel actually began showing them in order.) Never saw a single first season episode of I Dream of Jeannie or Bewitched until the 90's, when Nickelodeon started the all retro tv format in the evenings.
I'm old enough to recall some black and white cartoons vanishing from the airwaves in the mid '70's. I only recently figured out what one of them was, as I had no memory of the show's title. Turned out to be a early 60's anime where very little of the English versions survive. Thank goodness Speed Racer was in color!
Studios and networks here have made similar short sighted blunders. A lot of early television history is gone. A good chunk of Johnny Carson's early years on The Tonight Show were erased to save a few bucks on videotape. Soap Operas and game shows haven't fared well, either.
Wasn't there some sort of issue with actor's compensation for repeats on the BBC back in the day? I remember one of the BBC compilation VHS tapes of orphaned episodes mentioning it...
Where were you in '77?
Ryan McAvoy said:
ImperialFighter said:
Given the amount of 'repeats' the BBC has been so fond of giving us over the years (some welcome, some not), I still find it incredible that there was a time where they routinely and short-sightedly erased some of their output in the past.
It's quite common sadly.
I was rewatching the Blade Runner restoration documentaries the other week and that team found all the film stock for BR, deleted material/negatives/FX footage etc on a big pallet that was marked for being destroyed. Luckily there had been a mix up so the final memo to burn it all had never gone through, and it was just sitting in limbo when they rescued it.
A read an article about a famous film Director in the early 00s who was going to do a director's cut/deluxe-DVD package etc for his film and found the studio had binned all of it without even consulting him. Years of his work and future profits gone. Wish I could remember who it was.
The more infamous one was Legion aka Exorcist III which was screwed up by Morgan Creek (who have a long history of ruining would be classic movies).
The original material was lost just before their prequel screw up.
The Wicker Man is another film that has been royally rogerized.
Enemy of the World and most of Web Of Fear it is then.
Better than nothing by a long chalk but the earlier reports a hundred or so episodes were flash in the pan.
They're probably saving the rest for the 60th. ;)
Where were you in '77?
Bingowings said:
Enemy of the World and most of Web Of Fear it is then.
Better than nothing by a long chalk but the earlier reports a hundred or so episodes were flash in the pan.
Terrific news about these of course, but I'm glad I kept my expectations low about the actual episodes discovered as the early breathless reports seemed a little *too* good to be true.
And yet...there's still various hints that these are just an initial dripfeed of what's been found, and that there will be further announcements down the line. But if there's nothing more mentioned during the full-blown 50th Anniversary stuff, then we'll know for certain that this is really all that's been located in this instance, after all. I remain cautiously optimistic until that point.
Wow, just heard this on BBC News. Great news!! I remember I was in grad school when "Tomb of the Cyberman" was found. It was getting to where people had given up. What is so great about this find, is that it isn't just random episodes, but to complete stories. And they both sound great! And great that it is Troughton, because he was the most poorly-represented in available episodes.
"Close the blast doors!"
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"New" trailers for the recovered stories here.
http://www.doctorwhomagazine.com/the-enemy-of-the-world-the-web-of-fear-found/
Where were you in '77?
SilverWook said:
"New" trailers for the recovered stories here.
http://www.doctorwhomagazine.com/the-enemy-of-the-world-the-web-of-fear-found/
Wow those stories look amazing. Image quality looks great too. The first trailer for 'Enemy of the world' is really well done. Evil Troughton vs good
Troughton awesome!
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Ever since I saw the only surviving episode on VHS in the 90's, I've wondered how the Doctor and Salamander in the same scene was going to look, and thought I'd never find out.
I imagine the restoration team had their hands full with these. Hopefully, they'll update their website with a new article now that the cat's out of the bag.
Where were you in '77?