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I don't think a hire shop would like Ady doing things with Han's hands.
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Perhaps your right i have no idea how to make a resin cast and that probably would leave a residue but i assume it could be cleaned off and remove residue entirely?
It is the best i can come up with.... I honestly know nothing about official star wars prop services but they got that from somewhere so perhaps they can put ady in touch with their supplier?
The other thing to perhaps make note of is even though they list it as having one in stock there's nothing to say that they sub hire it in from somewhere else. But if they do own their own one then atleast we know where to find an alternative.
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Making a silicone mould of the hands on that 'for-hire' Solo in Carbonite will not damage it in any way, the silicone would leave no trace behind & would not damage the paintwork when removed
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Hi I don't know how far along Empire Revisited is, but I just wanted to put in a quick suggestion that I've been wanting to give for a long time. In the scene where Vader reveals to Luke that he is his father, you could give the same musical beat that was given in Episode III when Obi-Wan discovers that Anakin is the father of Padme's baby, just to give it some symmetry and because the effect and emphasis, to me, is outstanding. John Williams has developed so much as a composer since the time of ESB and so I do feel that his newer music truly enhances the scene, as it was the redeeming quality of the Prequel Trilogy.
You would have to line up the 3:16 mark of "Anakin's Dark Deeds" with the 1:46:42 mark of The Empire Strikes Back, and then obviously wind back the minutes to begin before that moment. (1:56/1:44:22).
Just please, before making any conclusions, give it a try, and let me know what you think! It works fine if you just overlap the scene with iTunes playing.
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LeadZero said:
John Williams has developed so much as a composer since the time of ESB and so I do feel that his newer music truly enhances the scene, as it was the redeeming quality of the Prequel Trilogy.
I don't where to begin...
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Ryan McAvoy said:
LeadZero said:
John Williams has developed so much as a composer since the time of ESB and so I do feel that his newer music truly enhances the scene, as it was the redeeming quality of the Prequel Trilogy.
I don't where to begin...
Oh, come now, how far can bias go that could make one deny such gems as "Duel of the Fates" or "Battle of the Heroes"? Face it, the prequel trilogy had a pretty stellar soundtrack if nothing else. That's not to say that the original trilogy score wasn't stellar, and completely iconic, but this is the 21st Century.
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^ Yes you're right. It's the 21st Century so equally that argument proves that the last Rolling Stones album was way better than anything they did in the 1970s! It must just be a fault with my eardrums that are telling me different ;-)
But seriously, 'Duel of the fates' and maybe 'Battle of the heroes' were nice but the rest was p*ss weak in comparison. If you really think JW is a better composer now than in the 70s and 80s I must be missing some of his work somewhere. A few musicians got better as they got older, like Johnny Cash and......... nope can't think of a second one. But even so JW isn't one of them, by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't want any PT music in Adywan's OT personally (IMO I felt DOTF created a narrative problem in ANH:R that impacts on ESB:R, but that's Adywan's call).
I do want Adywan to put OT music into his PT! :-D
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I find JW's more recent work to be very inter-changeable. As an example, listen to the music during the Quiditch match in the first HP movie and tell me it doesn't sound almost identical to the music during the Pod Race in TPM.
Anyway....
Has Adywan found a solution to the Han(d) problem yet?
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Though there are more than just 2 good tracks on those 3 Scores - for me "Across the Stars" is a beautiful reference to "The Cid" soundtrack ...
But as a whole, I would rather bring the PT in line (visual, musical, effects and storywise) with the OT, than the other way ;-)
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LeadZero said:
Hi I don't know how far along Empire Revisited is, but I just wanted to put in a quick suggestion that I've been wanting to give for a long time. In the scene where Vader reveals to Luke that he is his father, you could give the same musical beat that was given in Episode III when Obi-Wan discovers that Anakin is the father of Padme's baby, just to give it some symmetry and because the effect and emphasis, to me, is outstanding. John Williams has developed so much as a composer since the time of ESB and so I do feel that his newer music truly enhances the scene, as it was the redeeming quality of the Prequel Trilogy.
You would have to line up the 3:16 mark of "Anakin's Dark Deeds" with the 1:46:42 mark of The Empire Strikes Back, and then obviously wind back the minutes to begin before that moment. (1:56/1:44:22).
Just please, before making any conclusions, give it a try, and let me know what you think! It works fine if you just overlap the scene with iTunes playing.
I think it's a great idea...
And while you're at it, you could replace all Vader's Imperial March themes with Little Ani's theme from TPM!
Excellent!
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HotRod said:
LeadZero said:
Hi I don't know how far along Empire Revisited is, but I just wanted to put in a quick suggestion that I've been wanting to give for a long time. In the scene where Vader reveals to Luke that he is his father, you could give the same musical beat that was given in Episode III when Obi-Wan discovers that Anakin is the father of Padme's baby, just to give it some symmetry and because the effect and emphasis, to me, is outstanding. John Williams has developed so much as a composer since the time of ESB and so I do feel that his newer music truly enhances the scene, as it was the redeeming quality of the Prequel Trilogy.
You would have to line up the 3:16 mark of "Anakin's Dark Deeds" with the 1:46:42 mark of The Empire Strikes Back, and then obviously wind back the minutes to begin before that moment. (1:56/1:44:22).
Just please, before making any conclusions, give it a try, and let me know what you think! It works fine if you just overlap the scene with iTunes playing.
I think it's a great idea...
And while you're at it, you could replace all Vader's Imperial March themes with Little Ani's theme from TPM!
Excellent!
Ouch, you guys, that really hurts. I'm sure you guys didn't even give it a chance. :/
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It's not our call. It's Adywan's. And I'm pretty sure he has nailed-down all the changes he wants to make.
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LeadZero,
I just watched both, and I do like that cue there!
However... you have to remember that most people here are purists, and to change something so iconic as that scene with PT music... don't expect a lot of positive feedback ;)
Either way, we all want different things, and I've been happy with Ady's decisions so far (I loved BOTH in ANH:R!) so we'll see what he thinks is best!
(And at the end of the day, you can always edit Ady's cut to your liking after he releases it too!)
You're not alone, it wasn't a bad suggestion - just a polarizing one. :)
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LeadZero said:
HotRod said:
I think it's a great idea...
And while you're at it, you could replace all Vader's Imperial March themes with Little Ani's theme from TPM!
Excellent!
Ouch, you guys, that really hurts. I'm sure you guys didn't even give it a chance. :/
Yeah,you just learned the hard way that here, suggesting to put PT stuff into the OT is like saying "What's your favorite meat?" to a vegetarian.
Note that ironically, Adywan himself put a bit of RotS music into ANH:R (which I think he might be removing in ANH:R-HD).
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In terms of musical score, the PT is what needs a lot of work, not the OT. Even though, John Williams did the scores for the PT, you have to admit it was not anywhere close to the quality of the OT music. OT cues should be going into the PT if anything.
However, I did very much enjoy the added music during the duel in ANH:R, the if he put it back in again, it would have to be the orchestral version without the choir, as the regular version with the choir stood out as jarring and "edited".
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LeadZero said:
just to give it some symmetry
Ugh, no.
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Leadzero please can you make a rough mock up of your idea.
I am openminded....Although i don't think there is anything wrong with the scene so far as music goes.... I would like to see or hear it.
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The thing is that Williams' soundtrack for the prequels is forgettable. I can listen to the soundtracks of the OT and instantly picture where that music features in the films. Not the same with the PT. the cue you mention, i couldn't even hear it in my head and had to go and try to find which section you meant. That alone is reason enough for me not not change anything. The music in ESB is perfect. It's probably the best soundtrack of ALL the films. There is no logical reason to change any of the music in ESB, especially during such an emotional scene like that
the problem with the PT soundtrack is that there are cues and themes that sound like they come from a different JW scored movie. There is no way i could ever say that JW has developed so much as a composer since he scored the OT. In fact i would say the complete opposite. he has become stale and repetitive. There is a theme in AOTC sounds just like the Harry potter theme. And there are other cues that are recognisable from other films, and not necessarily JW scored films either. But a lot of the problem is that George hacked up the film so much in the editing that much of the music wasn't even scored for the scenes it is featured in. A lot was reused from TPM.
And i actually hate hearing the ROTS music during the ANH duel now, so that will be not making an appearance in the HD version.
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There is no way i could ever say that JW has developed so much as a composer since he scored the OT. In fact i would say the complete opposite. he has become stale and repetitive. There is a theme in AOTC sounds just like the Harry potter theme. And there are other cues that are recognisable from other films, and not necessarily JW scored films either.
Couldn't agree more. This is why I didn't do a happy dance when I heard JW had signed on for the sequels (although, it wasn't bad news). Personally, I would have preferred confirmation of Ben Burtt's return.
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But really, perhaps his more recent work is more interchangable because modern movies are more formulaic? He had a great score in the originals because he had so much more emotions in the movie to be inspired by.
So here's hoping for episode VII!
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Here's an idea. You know how movies almost always have different songs playing over the credits? I'm not sure what plays for a new hope I mean return of the jedi. (Well empire could work too I guess, but yoda dies in rotj so I think that'd be more apropriate), but if there's just regular score, maybe you could put in this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GITb6rzpTWM
(That riff at 2:40 ooh boy) (I'm sure MelodySheep would be totally cool with it)
Maybe you could fill all of the credits with the original closing theme and good fan songs!
Like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HmGwRf9KRo
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But I'd say that the biggest issue with William's music in the Prequels isn't that it's forgettable. The actual cues of the PT are probably more memorable to some degree. The Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars come to mind. The songs are very memorable. The problem is that those cues aren't inextricably LINKED with memorable moments. They're just songs pasted into the movie because they need to be there. That's the beauty of the OT, and especially the ESB score. The visuals and the music are so perfectly intertwined because they were designed for one another. You can listen to it and imagine every beat of the film. Every cut, every expression. You can't listen to the PT scores and experience the same thing, because William's music was cut up and pasted in to fit the editing. It was in no way the natural, intertwined score that we heard in the OT.
Williams is no worse a composer now than he was then.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GITb6rzpTWM
(That riff at 2:40 ooh boy) (I'm sure MelodySheep would be totally cool with it)
Maybe you could fill all of the credits with the original closing theme and good fan songs!Like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HmGwRf9KRo
What a pile of shit!!
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I think we can all agree that Never Gonna Give You Up is the only correct choice for the end credits.
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aalenfae said:
I'm glad to hear that Ady will be taking out the Battle of the Heroes music from ANH. The main problem was that it doesn't in any way fit the musical style of ANH. However, I wouldn't mind that duel to be scored in SOME way. But that's just personal preference.
I would like that too, something along the idea of "Duel of the Minds" - "Fate" lies with Luke at this moment ;-)
And yes, today many soundtracks are very generic, as Hollywood casts movies out of one mold, does same with the music - cue "action scene" / "love scene", or every other "item" ...
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HotRod said:
Akratus said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GITb6rzpTWM
(That riff at 2:40 ooh boy) (I'm sure MelodySheep would be totally cool with it)
Maybe you could fill all of the credits with the original closing theme and good fan songs!Like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HmGwRf9KRoWhat a pile of shit!!
You're too kind.
I made the suggestion half in jest, might be nice considering that revisited might be the definitive version for many fans, celebrating the fandom in this way.
But I'm glad you can so eloquently illustrate why it is a bad idea.