Indiana Jones Trilogy (Released) — Page 6

The only one I found is this:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=36982

About color grading: a looong time ago (10 years ago or more) - and a loooot before I discovered this forum - that time I was only a "movie watcher" - the first time I watched ROTLA on DVD I said "Wait! I'm not sure those colors are right...", I took my LD, and managed to play them side-by-side (via PAP onto my CRT TV); the LD colors were way better than DVD... I should capture them, but my HDs are almost full...

dvdmike said:

Found or I posted, made and uploaded the page before last?

?!? sorry, I can't understand what do you mean... if it's because you posted the link before and I forgot to credit you, please forgive me, but as I'm following right now several Indiana Jones threads (one has nearly 2000 posts) and screenshot related pages, I had forgotten your post here... until now! (^^,) by the way, I've found it really by myself: http://screenshotcomparison.com/search typing "Raiders of the lost ark" (I was using it for "Jurassic Park" the minute before...)

PDB said:

Hi Andrea,

      If you do go forward with your Raiders Project. I can give you the PCM track from this disc:

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/11024/LV-1376-WS/Indiana-Jones:-Raiders-of-the-Lost-Ark-(1981)

which you probably already have but I also have  the analog Dolby Surround for this disc:

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/11029/LV-1376/Indiana-Jones:-Raiders-of-the-Lost-Ark-(1981)

which has different dynamics/surround mix. Let me know if you want it and good luck on the project if you decide to go forward.

Thanks for the help - you are right I have this along with the other two movies; but I was not aware that the analog soundtrack had different mix!

dvdmike said:

I didn't pot the link, I made the link and took the shots 

I didn't know (or I didn't read about it?!?) Well done, you deserve the credit!

By the way, WOWOW looks really better... what about the THX WOW HD? Did you take it from that facebook video?

PDB said:

It is similar but clearly the widescreen LD was re-mixed to be a bit more aggressive. I have it if you want it, just drop me a line.

Thanks for the offer - just please wait until the things will be more clear... if you can provide also video along with audio, it will be great, as it's easyer to sync. What about the other two movies, have you them, and do they sounds different from their widescreen counterparts too? And, right because we are here, what about P&S colors Vs LB colors?

penguinofgreatness said:

An easier way to do this (if you didn't want to completely recolor the blu) would be to to use the WOWOW as the main source, and replace altered shots with the bluray (these shots would of course be color corrected to what the WOWOW looks like).

It's difficult to say if WOWOW is better than BD, without a direct comparison with the BD... I've taken a brief look at WOWOW versions, and, apart some grain (that is perfectly acceptable for old movies like these) I like them very much - colors, details...

If the BD has less grain, due to the newer 4K scan (that should be applied only to ROTLA) and no DNR (apart in some effects shots), it will be better to use BD as video, and WOWOW as color reference.

If the WOWOW has no DNR and/or EE, and the grain is the same of BD, it's easyer to use it as the main video, replacing altered shots with regraded BD scenes.

dvdmike said:

The WOWOW has no DNR or EE and despite being only 2k can show more detail than the new 4k master.

They are slightly sharpened being made for TV, but that would be dialed down 

What kind of avisynth script would you suggest to reduce sharpening? What about WOWOW's grain?

As I wrote before, the whole saga was redubbed in Italy *thanks* to George Lucas (and I strongly suspect it happened for other languages)... despite the fact that the new dubbing is not that bad, it changes completely the voice of a saga known here for more than 30 years!

If someone is curious... YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE6V6KU-q40

At least, they *made us a gift* including the 2.0 original sountrack present onto the DVDs... but if I'll start a restoration project, I'll include the original LD PCM soundtracks!

I'd like to know if the same happened for the english soundtracks.

First, I must to know exactly which version has the best resolution; it seems that WOWOW has the best, so I could use its video, and borrow the changes scenes from BD, re-grading only them; I'll add for sure english and italian, as these LDs are present in my collection. PDB nicely offered the soundtracks from the first two episodes, taken from analog P&S LDs, that are different from the PCM of the LB LDs.

If any other would like to add other languages from LD, I'll be very happy! The trilogy were available in german, french and spanish.

PDB said:

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PDB said:

It is similar but clearly the widescreen LD was re-mixed to be a bit more aggressive. I have it if you want it, just drop me a line.

Thanks for the offer - just please wait until the things will be more clear... if you can provide also video along with audio, it will be great, as it's easyer to sync. What about the other two movies, have you them, and do they sounds different from their widescreen counterparts too? And, right because we are here, what about P&S colors Vs LB colors?

I have this LD for temple:

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/11028/LV-1643/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Temple-of-Doom-(1984)

and similar to Raiders the mix isn't as aggressive. Same sounds just mixed very slightly different

only this is PCM unlike Raiders' analog. It leads me to believe that the widescreen Indy LDs are remixed.

Having said that, Temple of Doom's widescreen Dolby Surround Stereo soundtrack is perhaps one

of the best mixes I have ever heard regardless of it not being discreet.  Hell unlike the DVD or Blu

mix it has the original dialog panning. The widescreen LD of Raiders and Crusade are pretty good too.

 

Been awhile since I watched them to see if there are color changes but I can check the p&s of both to see.

Many said the Raiders WS LD audio was remixed and therefore not a good source. After watching the whole trilogy on LD myself, I really beg to differ. All three maintain the original dialogue and effects panning that is gone on DVD/BD, and to be honest are the best I've heard the films sound.

If the older analog only P&S discs have a different mix, that would be interesting as we've already wondered if Raiders was remixed for WS LD and had the original Dolby Stereo 35mm version on the earlier disc. The difference is that the film was mixed for VistaSonic only to have to switch over and tweak for a Dolby Stereo release at the very last minute. I'm wondering if they actually used these slightly different mixes instead of remastering audio.

Temple has audio so good, it's in my top 10 home audio tracks and I really don't see how a discrete 70mm version could improve upon it--it's that aggressive. Last Crusade sounds great and over on the lddb forums, some have commented that it played better in the Dolby Stereo matrix in 35mm versus the discrete 70mm version.

Video-wise, Raiders has some aliasing issues but in all looks like a more natural version of the 2003 DVD. Temple is reference quality, and Last Crusade is an older master that looks like the VHS.

I'm liking the Wowow transfers more and more. Despite not being directly 4K they have more detail in places than the BD version and reflect all previous color timing.

captainsolo, thanks for your very informative comments: it's good to know that laserdisc PCM soundtracks still have remarkable qualities!

I have two italian PCM laserdisc version of ROTLA: the older is from Philips, while the newer is from Pioneer; maybe the old Philips soundtrack is like the NTSC P&S... I should find some time to capture both of them, and compare their soundtracks.

On WOWOW video; I have not the BD to compare, but I like all three very much, and despite what many think about MPEG2 compression used by the HDTV streams, the quality is really good!

So, what about the WOWOW video, with modified scenes replaced with the one from BD (color corrected to match the rest of the video) and PCM soundtracks from laserdisc?

I'm in no way expert on HDTV streams, but I admit that WOWOW versions are the best! I don't discard HDNet either - have not seen any others, could you post a comment with more info about OTA and sat HD channels?

I like D-Theater quality too... everyone today seems to be "codec masters" and says that MPEG2 has awful quality when used for HD, and H.264 is perfect. I agree that, at any (normal) given bitrate, H.264 is better than MPEG2, but when the latter has an enough high bitrate, it is capable to deliver very very good pictures, with not visible artifacts - or I'm simply watching my tv from too far, and I'm getting too old... (^^,)

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dvdmike said:

The WOWOW has no DNR or EE and despite being only 2k can show more detail than the new 4k master.

They are slightly sharpened being made for TV, but that would be dialed down 

What kind of avisynth script would you suggest to reduce sharpening? What about WOWOW's grain?

UnFilter (http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Unfilter) is great for undoing basic EE.

Is the WOWOW still around anywhere? I've been thinking about finally going for the BD set, but think the WOWOW is more natural for Raiders.

BTW Temple and Crusade are the same transfers on WOWOW and the Blus right?