The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 32

brash_stryker said:

 

The reason I feel it doesn't work changing actors/ages for Anakin is that his character essentially reboots into an entirely different one. We need to have more time with the same Anakin otherwise the turn will feel too forced and sudden. We need at least one and a half films with the same "good anakin" with the beginning of the second film planting the seeds of temptation and the bulk of the 2nd film showing the beginning of his fall to the dark side.

I just don't feel like we "know" the adult Anakin enough for there to be a convincing and gradual fall if the first film has him as essentially a completely different character and NOTHING like the person old Obi describes in ANH. No matter how much nicer you make Hayden, I will never see Jake as the same character. We've missed out on too much of his life and development to feel connected with him. He is a new character from AOTC onwards and that's why it's IMO, impossible to get a convincing and non-rushed fall without getting rid of Jake Lloyd Anakin entirely.

 

George definitely tried to do too much with one character played by 2 different actors and shown at 2 very different ages.

So...um...how about Shmi? Anyone have any ideas for the slave thing?

MrInsaneA said:

So...um...how about Shmi? Anyone have any ideas for the slave thing?

brash_stryker said:

MrInsaneA said:

I wasn't just referring to Ady's edit though, just edits in general. Does anyone have any idea how to solve this Shmi conundrum?

Edited for clarity:

I'm also hoping that young slave Annie is completely obliterated from Revisited and therefore his mother won't be a slave either and the first time we'd see her (if at all!) Is when she dies. The first we'd see of anakin is already as Obi's ADULT apprentice. Not sure how it would work but that's what I'm hoping for.

 

Yeah, I'm not talking about Ady's edit. I was just wondering in general, if there was a way. Getting rid of kid Ani isn't appealing to me.

That is the only way I can imagine sorting it for ANY edit. My idea is not specific to Ady's (though this is a Revisited thread).

You simply cannot get around the slave thing without either ignoring how retarded it is, or filming enough extra material that Anakin isn't a slave in the first place and for that matter we might never see or hear about Shmi (what a fucking stupid name) at all.

Just to give an example of why Shmi is an unnecessary character (if you are radically re-editing/refilming) - We never meet or hear about Han Solo's parents. It's just not important. The Prequels are just too much like a contrived soap opera with people meeting each other's families with awkward and cringeworthy introductions - "I'm Owen Lars. This is my girlfriend, Beru". *vomits*

brash_stryker said:

That is the only way I can imagine sorting it for ANY edit. My idea is not specific to Ady's (though this is a Revisited thread).

You simply cannot get around the slave thing without either ignoring how retarded it is, or filming enough extra material that Anakin isn't a slave in the first place and for that matter we might never see or hear about Shmi (what a fucking stupid name) at all.

Lotta aggression here. XD

Listen, I have no problem with her being a slave, the issue for me is that Anakin never frees her, either on or off camera. So does anyone have any ideas on how to accomplish that? 

MrInsaneA said:

brash_stryker said:

That is the only way I can imagine sorting it for ANY edit. My idea is not specific to Ady's (though this is a Revisited thread).

You simply cannot get around the slave thing without either ignoring how retarded it is, or filming enough extra material that Anakin isn't a slave in the first place and for that matter we might never see or hear about Shmi (what a fucking stupid name) at all.

Lotta aggression here. XD

 

Listen, I have no problem with her being a slave, the issue for me is that Anakin never frees her, either on or off camera. So does anyone have any ideas on how to accomplish that? 

Well ridiculous plot-holes make me angry :p

Honestly, short of an editor redubbing Hayden's lines with a new voice actor and adding a line where he discusses having freed his mother (not my favourite approach as it's incredibly contrived), I don't know how else it can be accomplished.

I've done extensive work on my AOTC edit and I've still not released it after YEARS because it's still not good enough. It is inherently unfixable without adding whole new sequences to fill the gaps left over once you cut out what doesn't work or make sense (most of the film).

The other prequels are no different and have flaws that fuck up or contradict things in the other films.

So I think the reason you're not getting a different answer to your question is that there isn't one! Or at least no one here has thought of one yet ;)

MrInsaneA said:

brash_stryker said:

That is the only way I can imagine sorting it for ANY edit. My idea is not specific to Ady's (though this is a Revisited thread).

You simply cannot get around the slave thing without either ignoring how retarded it is, or filming enough extra material that Anakin isn't a slave in the first place and for that matter we might never see or hear about Shmi (what a fucking stupid name) at all.

Lotta aggression here. XD

 

Listen, I have no problem with her being a slave, the issue for me is that Anakin never frees her, either on or off camera. So does anyone have any ideas on how to accomplish that? 

If Anakin's to be the perfect knight by the code he shouldn't free her. He's not assigned to. In fact, he's supposed to look after Padmé and that's what he does.

He needs to have a vision and care or be trouble about it but to be stopped in his action by the superego of duty. After that he'll be remorseful forever, and that's a solid reason why to be so concerned about padmé.

I'd never have him go to tattoine in the middle act. Just have a dream, or a vision, or even a line about it when he's watching the horizon like vader does. Maybe the movie should end with anakin and padmé in tatooine instead of Naboo, with anakin kneeling in his mother's grave.

He has the vision, then the bunch of stuff, and then it all was true. The movie would end in a dark tone as Empire.

I'm sure someone else can turn ROTJR into a SE.

I personally think the Anakin as slave angle should be made to work.

The only way I can think of making it work though is to show that Anakin is a more fortunate slave.

If we saw him walk past and notice less fortunate slaves and maybe give them food by altering the footage of him giving something to Jira to maybe feeding a starved or beaten slave.

Filming something like this

with slight actors or child actors made up to look beaten of dirty might be possible.

If Geonosis was made to be Tatooine the Jedi (and Anakin) could be seen to be liberating the slaves thus fulfilling his childhood dream.

The dream seemed so important back in 1999 but nothing came of it.

Aalenfae and I are trying to reach some sort of solution for the Tattooine sequences in AOTC, though it might be difficult to make it work. The general idea is to leave Tattooine for the end of the movie where clearly a timeleap is established.

Basically it would be implied that Anakin has returned to Tattooine before/has been in contact with his mother all these years, and he knows where she's living currently.

The conflict now would be duty vs feelings. Anakin would be dreaming all throughout the movie about his mother, however he constantly denies his emotions and keeps being attached to his misions. By the end of the movie, when released from assignment, he goes to Tattooine and finds out he was too late and Shmi is dead.

There are some things and mentions in the movie that can't be erased without major changes and reshooting. However, if reduced to the minimum, they pass from being key, to anecdotic.

Mithrandir said:

Aalenfae and I are trying to reach some sort of solution for the Tattooine sequences in AOTC, though it might be difficult to make it work. The general idea is to leave Tattooine for the end of the movie where clearly a timeleap is established.

Basically it would be implied that Anakin has returned to Tattooine before/has been in contact with his mother all these years, and he knows where she's living currently.

The conflict now would be duty vs feelings. Anakin would be dreaming all throughout the movie about his mother, however he constantly denies his emotions and keeps being attached to his misions. By the end of the movie, when released from assignment, he goes to Tattooine and finds out he was too late and Shmi is dead.

There are some things and mentions in the movie that can't be erased without major changes and reshooting. However, if reduced to the minimum, they pass from being key, to anecdotic.

That's certainly an interesting idea, I see how that could work with the existing footage.  Now, that you mention it, it might be a really good idea I could utilize in my edit...

emanswfan said:

Mithrandir said:

Aalenfae and I are trying to reach some sort of solution for the Tattooine sequences in AOTC, though it might be difficult to make it work. The general idea is to leave Tattooine for the end of the movie where clearly a timeleap is established.

Basically it would be implied that Anakin has returned to Tattooine before/has been in contact with his mother all these years, and he knows where she's living currently.

The conflict now would be duty vs feelings. Anakin would be dreaming all throughout the movie about his mother, however he constantly denies his emotions and keeps being attached to his misions. By the end of the movie, when released from assignment, he goes to Tattooine and finds out he was too late and Shmi is dead.

There are some things and mentions in the movie that can't be erased without major changes and reshooting. However, if reduced to the minimum, they pass from being key, to anecdotic.

That's certainly an interesting idea, I see how that could work with the existing footage.  Now, that you mention it, it might be a really good idea I could utilize in my edit...

It's a fascinating idea, but how are you going to address the fact that he would be missing a hand by this point?

mrbenja0618 said:

It's a fascinating idea, but how are you going to address the fact that he would be missing a hand by this point?

The only way would be to remove his hand getting cut in Episode II and just leave it as a scar from battle during the clone wars between II and III.  Just like Anakin's unexplained scar on his face in III.

Unless, you could shoot new footage of course.

Not many scenes shots of the hand!

Mithrandir said:

Not many scenes shots of the hand!

I just looked at all the tatooine footage, and while it is possible to make a version without the robot hand being shown, it might be awkwardly short.

You could keep that approach and also make Geonosis Tatooine.

After the dust of war has settled his mother is dead he is too busy doing his duty as a Jedi to do his duty as a son (the beginning of his resentment towards the Jedi).

Ending on her funeral instead of his wedding would pack more of a punch than ending TPM with Qui-Gon's.

Shmi is one of the few truly sympathetic characters in the PT much more than Qui-Gon. Indeed with Padme's in ROTS the saga plays out as Four Funerals and a Wedding.

It would serve as a better 'they rhyme' moment with Anakin's pyre in ROTJ.

Bingowings said:

You could keep that approach and also make Geonosis Tatooine.

After the dust of war has settled his mother is dead he is too busy doing his duty as a Jedi to do his duty as a son (the beginning of his resentment towards the Jedi).

Ending on her funeral instead of his wedding would pack more of a punch than ending TPM with Qui-Gon's.

Shmi is one of the few truly sympathetic characters in the PT much more than Qui-Gon. Indeed with Padme's in ROTS the saga plays out as Four Funerals and a Wedding.

It would serve as a better 'they rhyme' moment with Anakin's pyre in ROTJ.

I actually quiet like that idea. Ending with Shmi's funeral does pack a bit more of a punch, although it might be weird since R2 does come to tell Anakin of Obi-Wan message during the funeral.

By the way, has Adywan decide whether or not he's going to alter Anakin's voice to make it deeper? I think Anakin's voice might need to be altered at the very least in some way. Also if Adywan does plan to keep Jar Jar in some capacity, does he plan to either alter his voice or create some type of language that the gungans speak?