DTS audio preservation .... UPDATE 07 May 2015 ... Work In Progress — Page 8

Awesome, glad I found this "wretched hive of scum and villainy". Meet some amazing and dedicated people here. Thanks to all who contribute.

skyjedi2005 said:

I just don't understand the need of new mixes for DVD and blu ray if the original was superior.

I mean Goldneye's original mix was so damn good and i have not heard it since 1995.

The UE mix sucks it lacks the punch and power of the original. 

 

 

Gary Rydstrom ruined it for the rest of us 

For those interested, I have the 5.1 DTS audio for the Star Wars Trilogy SE trailers B, C, and D.

Trailer A was pulled after release dates when the last 2 films changed.  Finding the audio for Trailer A even with it's rare status would certainly be more likely than find the actual film that goes with it.  I believe it actually isn't any different than Trailer B, video wise, but since I've not seen it I cannot tell you with any certainty if that's the case.

As far as I know, the Trailer A is the one that says "This President's Day ...".

Does anyone HAVE the LD DTS for Spawn and Lost In Space?  I would LOVE to have them to synch with my DVD's.

:)

borisanddoris said:

I have Lost in Space...no gear to capture successfully. :(

I have the Cinema DTS for Lost in Space but am no good with editing it all together to make it synch.

OK, I have a small update for all of you ......

DTS audio for the Matrix is finished.  The 2 other films in the trilogy are being worked on.  This audio was synched to the Bluray.  The end result was a 2.11GB DTS-HD file.

Format                                   : DTS
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile                           : MA / Core
File size                                : 2.11 GiB
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable

Audio
Format                                   : DTS
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile                           : MA / Core
Mode                                     : 16
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : Unknown / 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossless / Lossy

I believe I will be getting a PCM version of the DTS cinema audio as well.

It is currently not available for download but if there are enough interested parties I can set something up.

My partner in crime, DoomBot, has been kind enough to offer his editing/synching talents to help get these started.  CapableMetal has been our wise and honorable Yoda.  He's been so very helpful in working out a good method for working with these audio files.

Make sure to thank these folks, they deserve it.  DoomBot received a 25GB BD-r from me with different film audio on it.  After the Matrix Trilogy is finished I'd like to randomly do the other ones so each release is a surprise.  Please, no asking ...... it ruins the surprise.  I thought this would be a fun way to do these.  Let us know if you're interested.

I would also like gauge interest in media donations.  Maybe we could come up with a way for folks who donate to get a choice of audio sent to them on a BD-r before they are uploaded for everyone else.  Let me know how you all feel about this, please. 

Thanks for your kindness and patience.        

Shawn

I'm in for Matrix audio, I can help it being seeded on s---n if anyone fancies it.

Jetrell Fo said:

OK, I have a small update for all of you ......

DTS audio for the Matrix is finished.  The 2 other films in the trilogy are being worked on.  This audio was synched to the Bluray.  The end result was a 2.11GB DTS-HD file.

Format                                   : DTS
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile                           : MA / Core
File size                                : 2.11 GiB
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable

Audio
Format                                   : DTS
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile                           : MA / Core
Mode                                     : 16
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : Unknown / 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossless / Lossy

I believe I will be getting a PCM version of the DTS cinema audio as well.

It is currently not available for download but if there are enough interested parties I can set something up.

My partner in crime, DoomBot, has been kind enough to offer his editing/synching talents to help get these started.  CapableMetal has been our wise and honorable Yoda.  He's been so very helpful in working out a good method for working with these audio files.

Make sure to thank these folks, they deserve it.  DoomBot received a 25GB BD-r from me with different film audio on it.  After the Matrix Trilogy is finished I'd like to randomly do the other ones so each release is a surprise.  Please, no asking ...... it ruins the surprise.  I thought this would be a fun way to do these.  Let us know if you're interested.

I would also like gauge interest in media donations.  Maybe we could come up with a way for folks who donate to get a choice of audio sent to them on a BD-r before they are uploaded for everyone else.  Let me know how you all feel about this, please. 

Thanks for your kindness and patience.        

Shawn

Great job guys!. I'm down for a donation or help anyway I can.

Thanks Stamper and PDB, for the positive responses.  I am just gauging the interest in donations of media at this point but you're on the list PDB.

As for a torrent, my connection isn't great but if Stamper could upload it, DoomBot and I will make out an info file with the specs of the audio and maybe DB can add a little something about his process.

I am thankful for the assistance to get this going.  It is appreciated greatly.

:) 

Turisu said:

+1 for The Matrix audio. :)

The last 2 movies audio are being finished up.  Once I get the details sorted, I'll post back.

:)

I sent out a few pm's today with links to kk's regraded version which features our audio for The Matrix.

Please come back here and let us know what you think of the experience.

:)

I had no idea his new 16gb version was even ready or is it?

Thanks Shawn

Jetrell Fo said:

I sent out a few pm's today with links to kk's regraded version which features our audio for The Matrix.

Please come back here and let us know what you think of the experience.

:)

Is it out there?

Yes i just found it

I sent a pm to you dvdmike

DoomBot said:

Yes i just found it

I sent a pm to you dvdmike

Thanks 

DTS Theatrical audio + color-corrected HD video = a wonderful HD Matrix experience.

How are the Batman (Nolan) dts sound compared to the truhd bluray release?

Not sure about the Batman movies yet until Jetrell Fo gets them out to me to work on. I'm curious my self though to hear the difference between the 2.

I haven't been following this thread before, and only just read it through in its entirety.  While I don't wish to rain on the parade, it should perhaps be tempered with some healthy scepticism.  I'm not convinced that it's entirely worthwhile to go to the trouble of working with cinema DTS discs unless it is absolutely necessary.

To use The Matrix as an example: there has been talk of the Bluray soundtrack being inferior to previous versions, and I have to say I'm baffled as to where this claim comes from.  After having heard it numerous times on the old DVD, I found not even the slightest hint that anything on the Bluray had been altered.  In every way it was exactly the same mix—same balance, same dynamics, same everything.

Now admittedly I don't yet have an HDMI receiver and therefore can only listen to the 640 kbps AC3 track, rather than the Dolby TrueHD.  But it would astonish me greatly if the two actually turned out to be any different from each other.  If there is a difference, it may just as easily turn out to be something happening during playback, such as an unwanted dynamic range compression mode being activated, or a difference in DialNorm values causing the overall volume to come out lower.

When comparing soundtracks in this manner, you must make absolutely sure that they are completely level-matched, or any comparison of their relative dynamics will be rendered meaningless.  Do not ever believe that you are immune to being fooled by differences in playback volume, for even experienced professionals can be tricked into believing they hear superior sound quality when in fact all that has happened is that something was made louder.  It is shockingly easy to fall into this trap, and I believe that a lot of what people think they hear is actually only this kind of placebo effect.  This particularly applies to bass content because of the Fletcher-Munson curves, whereby our hearing is particularly insensitive to low frequencies, and consequently is very susceptible to a false perception of level differences if playback volumes are not equal.

To give a textbook example of this, consider The Phantom Menace.  I have heard repeatedly about how much better the movie sounds on laserdisc than on DVD, but this is actually false.  This web page measures the output levels of both, and determines that the two versions are virtually identical to each other in dynamic range.  The only difference is that the laserdisc version is mastered 8 dB louder than the DVD.  That's a huge discrepancy: of course one is going to sound more powerful than the other!  But if you turn up the volume by 8 dB to compensate when playing the DVD version, this will be entirely cancelled out.

The recent Batman films have also been mentioned here, but again I find no difference whatsoever in how they sound.  Last summer I attended a triple feature screening of all three at the Cine Capri, the best movie theatre in Phoenix, and what I heard there was identical to what is on the DVD and Bluray releases.  The total effect was considerably more powerful, of course, due to the huge auditorium and the absolutely killer Dolby setup they've got in there (even more so now that they've installed the new Atmos system), but the mixes themselves haven't been changed at all.

So, while I absolutely applaud the goal of preserving theatrical mixes and making them available, it is important first to verify that there is actually a need to do so in the first place.  There are plenty of films whose soundtracks have indeed been badly mangled on home video (the site I linked to also has another page that conclusively demonstrates how much better the original mix of Jurassic Park is, for one), and it would be best to concentrate such efforts on theatrical mixes that truly are unavailble through any other means.  And don't be tricked into thinking that the delivery format somehow results in better sound, either—all that really matters is the mix itself, and whether it is packaged as Dolby or DTS is largely irrelevant providing everything else is the same.  The AC3 codec is more efficient than DTS, able to achieve similar sound quality at only half the bandwidth, so comparing the numbers doesn't really mean much on its own.

This has nothing to do with DTS as a format