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The new season of Arrested Development was a real let down. It had its moments but overall felt like a dud.

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Tobar said:

The new season of Arrested Development was a real let down. It had its moments but overall felt like a dud.

I'm about halfway through and I'm sadly feeling the same way.

The format just doesn't work with having each character largely isolated from the rest of the cast.

It's not bad but it's just nowhere near as funny. Most of the jokes feel flat to me.

“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”

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Mrs O'Five and I started "Parks and Recreation" the other night. So far we are very pleased by it. Very strange to have two shows taking place in Southern Indiana on TV at the same time. This one isn't as accurate to Indiana life as "The Middle", but it's much funnier.

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georgec said:

Tobar said:

The new season of Arrested Development was a real let down. It had its moments but overall felt like a dud.

I'm about halfway through and I'm sadly feeling the same way.

The format just doesn't work with having each character largely isolated from the rest of the cast.

It's not bad but it's just nowhere near as funny. Most of the jokes feel flat to me.

They really had no option, as the cast was only available at specific (mostly separate) times.

 

I've only watched two episodes so far but really enjoying it.  Maybe I'm just a SLUT.

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TV's Frink said:


Stick with it, it only gets better.
We're afraid of it growing sour with us, as The Office did. I will take you at your word though.

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TV's Frink said:

georgec said:

Tobar said:

The new season of Arrested Development was a real let down. It had its moments but overall felt like a dud.

I'm about halfway through and I'm sadly feeling the same way.

The format just doesn't work with having each character largely isolated from the rest of the cast.

It's not bad but it's just nowhere near as funny. Most of the jokes feel flat to me.

They really had no option, as the cast was only available at specific (mostly separate) times.

Yea I know, but like I said the format just doesn't work.

Plus the episodes feel too long. I get bored of spending time with one character for 30 minutes. Seasons 1-3 were fast-paced and gave you a taste of everybody in each episode. The dynamic between characters was what elevated the show. This just feels self-indulgent.

It's not bad and I'm not hating on it, but rather discussing how the way they had to film and construct the season works against what made AD so great. When you have this amazing cast of characters and have to keep them apart most of the time, it really undermines them.

“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”

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doubleofive said:

 

TV's Frink said:


Stick with it, it only gets better.
We're afraid of it growing sour with us, as The Office did. I will take you at your word though.

 

Well, The Office got better before it got worse...

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I feel like The Office was hyperextended way beyond what should have been its life expectancy. 

Arrested Development was still fantastic when its plug was pulled. It was nice to get the opportunity to revisit it. I really enjoyed season four, but I agree that it was missing that group dynamic from the first three seasons. Prior to season four I was always aching for more Arrested Development, now I feel content with it. If there is more, that would be fun, and it would be nice to see a conclusion to the dangling story threads of season four, but if this is the end, I'm okay with that.

Though within the storyline, all the characters are in the same area at the end of this season, if they can get scheduling worked out, it would be nice to see them all together again.

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Isn't there supposed to be a movie that wraps up season four?

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TV's Frink said:


Isn't there supposed to be a movie that wraps up season four?
Supposabably.

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Just finished Ashes to Ashes. I've long considered Life on Mars one of my all time favorite shows, and I loved the way it was wrapped up ambiguously but on a happy yet kind of grim note. I found it very satisfying. So a spin-off series revisiting that world and giving us more information about the characters was always something I was uncertain how I felt about.

Shows with sci-fi mystery myth arcs seem to have a tendency to end in unsatisfying ways. Lost and Battlestar Galactica were two shows I really enjoyed and would have loved to enjoy rewatching, but their endings and knowing what silly business the writers came up with to explain it all seriously mars subsequent viewings of those two shows for me. The "A wizard did it!" endings of those shows just takes the fun out, it is too hard to take them seriously from beginning to end with the impossible to ignore end in mind while you watch the beginning.

I started watching Ashes to Ashes because I loved Life on Mars so much, but for the first season I didn't take it very seriously, I considered it kind of a non-canonical fun bonus following LoM, kind of how I consider all the Planet of the Apes sequels or Aliens and Alien 3. When I got to season two I really started to enjoy it and realized how well it did at stepping out from behind LoM's shadow and becoming its own show, in some ways it even became a much better show than LoM. I found myself more into the characters and the story of each individual episode than the over arcing mythology. Sometime during season two I decided I wanted it to last and really paced myself, only treating myself to an episode every now and then. In doing that I kind of got myself out of it and ended up not watching an episode in over a year. 

Recently I introduced some friends to Life on Mars, and after watching a few episodes with them I ended up going home and watching an episode of Ashes to Ashes. Then another one and another one. I've ended up burning through the end of season two and all of season three in a week and a half. Was worried about reaching the end and finding the answers would ruin the entire show for me, almost to the point that I considered not watching the last episode and rewatching it all again from the beginning of Life on Mars on, just in case another one of those damn wizards ended up being responsible for it all once again in yet another very unsatisfying conclusion. 

Turns out I really liked how it ended. All around great show. Can't believe I took such a long break in the middle of the series.

For anyone here who hasn't seen Life on Mars, do yourself a favor and watch it. If you enjoy it, then I'd highly recommend Ashes to Ashes.

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I've been catching up with Red Dwarf. Watching a couple of episodes, sometimes just the one every night. On series 2 now, and tonight it's Queeg 500. One of my all time favourites.

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Hmmm,

I'm now considering going out and picking up some curry and lager and spending the rest of the evening watching some Red Dwarf...

Hey, it's me, I suppose you've seen series 9 and 10, right? What did you think? I was really excited when Back to Earth was announced, but ended up not enjoying it at all. What did you think? How was series X? I never bothered watching it since I was disappointed by Back to Earth, but I've heard it was a lot more like the series than Back to Earth was. Should I waste my time on it?

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CP3S said:

Hmmm,

I'm now considering going out and picking up some curry and lager and spending the rest of the evening watching some Red Dwarf...

Hey, it's me, I suppose you've seen series 9 and 10, right? What did you think? I was really excited when Back to Earth was announced, but ended up not enjoying it at all. What did you think? How was series X? I never bothered watching it since I was disappointed by Back to Earth, but I've heard it was a lot more like the series than Back to Earth was. Should I waste my time on it?

I've seen every series C3PS. 9 and 10 and Back to Earth were ok, but for me the series hit comedy heights with 4 through to 7. Those are my personal favourites. If your a fan then 9 and 10 are worth a watch. Have you seen Back to Reality? 

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Yeah, I've seen everything except for series ten. Even read the books. 

Once they got Kryten as a main character in series 3 I felt it started to take off, but once the Red Dwarf crew was resurrected in series 7 I felt things took a down turn. Though I still did enjoy series 7 and 8, and for many years found the, what I thought would be forever unresolved, cliffhanger ending to series 8 somewhat agonizing.

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It [Red Dwarf] will NEVER be what it once was...But series 10 is far better than 9 / Back to Earth. I really didn't like 9 at all but I've watched a few episodes from 10 more than once. That said, there are still some dull moments.

Anyone seen the Brittas empire? [another Chris Barrie show] - been catching eps on youtube. Used to watch it wayyyy back.

re: life on Mars - I've been meaning to check it out but never really got around to it yet. It comes highly recommended by a few friends.

Lately I've been watching a mix of stuff, The only thing I've really been keeping up to speed on is The Venture Bros. I love that show...maybe too much.

Also been watching eps of Man vs Food on youtube. 

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Johnny Ringo said:

It [Red Dwarf] will NEVER be what it once was...

For sure. There is no way.

 

But series 10 is far better than 9 / Back to Earth. I really didn't like 9 at all but I've watched a few episodes from 10 more than once. That said, there are still some dull moments.

Anyone seen the Brittas empire? [another Chris Barrie show] - been catching eps on youtube. Used to watch it wayyyy back.

I didn't even find Back to Earth slightly enjoyable or entertaining. I'll check out series ten then, only six episodes, not a super huge time investment.

Yeah, the Brittas Empire is kind of fun, I've seen all the later series and the conclusion, but somehow I've never managed to see the earlier episodes. It is kind of surprising how little Chris Barrie is in, considering how well known he is. Red Dwarf and The Brittas Empire are the only two shows he's stared in, and somehow he ended up being Laura Croft's butler in those crappy Tomb Raider films.

 

 re: life on Mars - I've been meaning to check it out but never really got around to it yet. It comes highly recommended by a few friends.

Lately I've been watching a mix of stuff, The only thing I've really been keeping up to speed on is The Venture Bros. I love that show...maybe too much.

Life on Mars is a show I tell a lot of people they should watch, and maybe only two or three that I know of have done so. It just doesn't look that interesting. The box art on my BD sets make it look incredibly dull. It is a hard show to make look interesting with still images, and the plot sounds painfully silly when described out loud. However, watch the first episode or two, and it is hard to deny that the show is something special.

I love Venture Bros. too, one of my favorites. It is good to have it back. I'm several episodes behind at the moment so that I can enjoy a few in a clump when the mood strikes.

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With Red Dwarf, I think the series waned after 7 because Rob Grant left the writing team and it was just Doug Naylor on his own. 

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I'm taking Arrested Development super slow.  Just watched episode 3.  Still loving it all, despite the complaints.

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Web Series: DWEN 

It's an animated comic of things somebody drew as a kid. Kind of fun, the story is sometimes hard to follow, but people who grew up in 80's USA will recognize his inspiration. :) 

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CP3S said:

Turns out I really liked how it ended. All around great show. Can't believe I took such a long break in the middle of the series.

For anyone here who hasn't seen Life on Mars, do yourself a favor and watch it. If you enjoy it, then I'd highly recommend Ashes to Ashes.

I liked the show but I didn't like the ending.

It was the sort of ending a kid would come up with (the test card girl in LOM was a genius ending).

It was too CofE. surely if the there is a purgatory for police it would be less provincial?

It might have worked if once Alex had found the truth about her fellow restless souls she discovered they weren't really all English and from the Eighties but the realm translated them that way because she and Sam came from a UK background of a certain time.

Gene could be all the Gene Hunts in all the international versions of the show and more, The bit with the Railway Arms was a bit crap too.

Up until that point I was gripped all the way.

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Bingowings said:

It might have worked if once Alex had found the truth about her fellow restless souls she discovered they weren't really all English and from the Eighties but the realm translated them that way because she and Sam came from a UK background of a certain time.

They were all from different times. Shaz's death scene looked very nineties, the uniform was much more modern. Judging by the uniforms in Chris', it looked more 60's or 70's maybe. Ray's didn't have a uniform to go by, but his death scene looked a lot earlier than the 80's. And it was established that Gene died on the day Elizabeth II was coronated, which was in 1952.

 

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Shaz looked pretty eighties to me (she was very much wearing a WPC uniform rather than being a woman wearing a PC uniform).

It would have been cool to see she was actual Chinese and was killed on the streets of Hong Kong after Alex had died, for example.

And the whole bent copper as Demon with hot sub-basement routine was a real let down for me.

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Keats was a pretty great character throughout season three. He was a bit of a creeper, and came off as very menacing. In the last episode they really spun him over the top to the point of being just downright silly. I didn't like that aspect. But I'll totally take the rest, even if the idea of a special purgatory for police officers is slightly sillier than the idea of purgatory in general. I think they left it vague enough that it worked. However, yes, Life on Mars and the test screen girl was pretty much perfect.

Just re watched Shaz's death, uniform is very modern looking, and the car shown is definitely newer than the 80's.

Maybe Chinese law enforcement officers who die in Hong Kong end up in some police department in Hong Kong in this purgatory world. Perhaps the powers that be in the LoM/AtA universe like to keep things culturally relevant to the tormented souls, but also like to screw with their heads by throwing them in a different time period. A cop from the 2000's thrown into a 1970's environment they have some familiarity with is going to be bewildered, frustrated, and confused. A cop from 2000''s Hong Kong thrown into 1980's England is going to be completely lost and have no idea what is going on.