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.Mac. said:
True, seeing Vader's landing shuttle isn't truly needed...
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aalenfae said:
Coming back to more simple issues with ESB, I was just watching the film and was reminded of something that always kind of bugged me. Escaping Bespin, Leia points up and says "Star Destroyer!" but when we see the shot of the Executor out the window, it's really not anywhere near where Leia's pointing.
Does Ady plan on modifying that out-the-window shot to show the Executor to be more above the Falcon?
I kinda like this idea. Would be quite impressive to watch plus we've never really seen how miniscule the Falcon looks compared to the Executor.
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muddyknees2000 said:
.Mac. said:
True, seeing Vader's landing shuttle isn't truly needed...
well said
but muddyknees, that wasn't my only reason for this idea ;) That would indeed be one of the highlights, but it'd be more than just that.
I always thought it'd be awesome to, somehow, see an additional scene of many snowtroopers (even though it works great exactly as it is now). This way, not only could it be "fresh" and look cool, it could also help drive the story and the urgency that the rebels are facing. Vader's shuttle I suppose would be more secondary, but it could be set up so it's a good first glimpse of his shuttle (whereas it's only mentioned later - and ROTJ is far away).
But, Ady might already have something up his sleeve, so possibly this idea would interfere with that idea, in which case nevermind all of my idea :) The more I think about it too, the more I think it really shouldn't be added also, and it'd be better to just leave the first reveal of the snowtroopers be when the explode through the tunnel wall.
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.Mac. said:
muddyknees2000 said:
.Mac. said:
True, seeing Vader's landing shuttle isn't truly needed...
well said
but muddyknees, that wasn't my only reason for this idea. That would indeed be one of the highlights, but it'd be more than just that.
I was thinking it'd be worthwhile to have a panning shot (with the Lambda landing) showing several squads of imperial troops massing forward with more still roping down from an AT-AT. This way, aside from the walkers, the audience will be in awe and have a better sense for the number of imperial troops that were sent for this mission (more than just a handful that we see only in the tunnels), because the Empire did mean business with this large-scale assault.
I mean it does work fine exactly as it is now, but I always thought it could benefit us showing more (in this rare case and if done right). Just like we didn't truly need to see the Falcon flying through Bespin before it landed, but after seeing the SE Bespin up close like that, I thought worked great from a narrative and visual point of view - I'm happy that Ady thinks so too. The same could potentially happen for this other idea, maybe.
But who knows what all Ady has up his sleeve, so possibly this idea would interfere with an idea of his, in which case nevermind. Again though, it was just an idea that I could see working and would definitely welcome it if he did attempt it :)
I always thought there may have been more rebel bases out there aside from Hoth (which would explain why in ROTJ the rebellion suddenly has more than just humans in it). If this were the case, then the Empire's invasion likely was just a fraction of the power that they could have sent in.
Or I'm wrong.
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"I always thought there may have been more rebel bases out there aside from Hoth (which would explain why in ROTJ the rebellion suddenly has more than just humans in it). If this were the case, then the Empire's invasion likely was just a fraction of the power that they could have sent in.
Or I'm wrong."
I'd say you're right oh-riginal. I too believe their invasion was just a fraction of what they could have sent. From what we can see, only 3 SDs (maybe a few more off-screen) plus the Executor were sent, but they definitely have more than that somewhere else.
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.Mac. said:
muddyknees2000 said:
.Mac. said:
True, seeing Vader's landing shuttle isn't truly needed...
well said
but muddyknees, that wasn't my only reason for this idea. That would indeed be one of the highlights, but it'd be more than just that.
lol, I was being sarcastic.
Veers tells Vader that he may land, and we then see Vader on the ground. Filling in all the little gaps and explaining things to death is a big part of why the prequels sucked....there's no room for imagination.
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muddyknees2000 said:
.Mac. said:
muddyknees2000 said:
.Mac. said:
True, seeing Vader's landing shuttle isn't truly needed...
well said
but muddyknees, that wasn't my only reason for this idea. That would indeed be one of the highlights, but it'd be more than just that.
lol, I was being sarcastic.
Veers tells Vader that he may land, and we then see Vader on the ground. Filling in all the little gaps and explaining things to death is a big part of why the prequels sucked....there's no room for imagination.
WELL said (and I'm not being sarcastic!)
Lately it seems the trend here has been to suggest scenes and changes that are totally outside the scope of the fanedit, and it's bogging down the thread and actually good suggestions are getting lost in the shuffle. It's not breathing new life into the thread, it's just driving it off the rails.
I'm in no position to speak for adywan ( that's 005's job! ;D ), but I'm pretty certain he will not be adding any new shots or scenes to ESB, period.
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ESB is in fact the OT film that Ady is changing the LEAST....and to be more accurate I should say the STRUCTURE of the film is what isn't being changed. Anything being added, removed, or altered is within the existing frames of the film.....or at the very least, if a shot IS being COMPLETELY redone, it is being done with an eye towards the original shot and trying to keep the layout or feel of the original. Entirely new sequences are not being added to this one.
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Right. As I understand it, the run-time of the film will remain exactly the same, as it should. I think that pacing is as important to the overall effect as any acting performance, piece of score, or special effect. Even one new shot upsets that balance, like the SE shot of Vader walking to his shuttle that ady's removing. ESB's pace is perfect as it is.
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There will most likely be a difference of a couple of seconds......continuity errors and things being removed....sometimes necessitates a bit of trimming here and there.
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True. I know sometimes to fix a shot adywan has had to move a wipe a few frames forward, things like that might affect the run-time by a few seconds as you said, but not to the same extent as an entirely new shot or sequence.
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Exactly the same running time of which version of Empire Strikes Back?
I assume you mean the special edition version?
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I think it's way too late in the game to even consider most of these "out there" suggestions.
It's just an assumption, but by now, I'd say the video part of this edit is about to be done except for shooting the actual models/wampa, etc and compositing those scenes.
Audio may have not been even started yet but I wouldn't expect big changes there either apart from restoring original lines and fixing some sound effects.
All these kinds of suggestions could have a better shot at being at least considered if done for ROTJ:R when Ady begins work on that one... a few years from now I'd guess.
On the other hand, who knows? Someone, even this late could actually come up with a really good good idea that Ady may actually consider even if that meant a bit more work and a little extension to the release date. But since this one has been scrutinized to such high level already, I'd be surprised if a new idea actually made it.
meh...what do I know anyway.
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though the whole Vader arrival/ Imperial Invasion, I really wish the scene where the Falcon escapes would be a little different - it always looked to me as if the hangar was right behind the field where the rebels assembled for retreat, and that would be kind of strange, thinking that Vader and his troops should infiltrate the base from the "backdoor" ...?
I would suggest a more grand overview of the battlefield, maybe the Falcon flying over the destroyed hills, only then rising up into the orbit - so that the assembly point is more far off, about some kilometers from the base
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I personally think 2013 is still a bit tight but we may get a 1st version by November earliest at a guess
ANH:R was revised for each release so being a fan edit revision is a possibility also.
Ultimately it's done when it's done whilst that is a hang up for some it is also a strong point also depending on how you look at it. It is a modification so it can be furher modified or un modified
But i seen some people suggest editing adywans edit because they won't be happy unless it is a certain way... Just go make your edit now....I don't see that attitude as constructive.
No matter what you will never please everyone... But I wonder what complaints will get aired with ESB:R that will be given by certsin crowds....
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Ronster said:
I personally think 2013 is still a bit tight but we may get a 1st version by November earliest at a guess
ANH:R was revised for each release so being a fan edit revision is a possibility also.
Ady has said that there will only be one version of ESB:R.
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muddyknees2000 said:
ESB is in fact the OT film that Ady is changing the LEAST....and to be more accurate I should say the STRUCTURE of the film is what isn't being changed. Anything being added, removed, or altered is within the existing frames of the film.....or at the very least, if a shot IS being COMPLETELY redone, it is being done with an eye towards the original shot and trying to keep the layout or feel of the original. Entirely new sequences are not being added to this one.
Thank you for that clarification friend :) I didn't realize that was his intended plan.
Just so you know, though, I'm on the same page with you. I wasn't just throwing out an idea just for the hoot of it, because I know where you're coming from and completely understand your feelings about what happened in the prequels - those weren't done right.
What I had in mind for this short panning shot would not have been just filler with no significance to the story (much of the prequels). When done right, as I know Ady could do, it potentially could have had relevance and added more substance to the current situation (much of the OT), causing the audience to be even more concerned for the hero's escape. But, again, the more I think about it, I've decided you and 005 are right that it really isn't needed - it'd be better without it after all (but still, it was one of my dreams to "officially" see snowtroopers roping down from an AT-AT, and to see many of them at once on screen on Hoth, with the possibility of seeing Vader's shuttle for its first good reveal).
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I'd argue for snowtroopers on the ground, in the existing shots of the exterior battle......but not an added arrival at the base, nor the troops "lighting the fuse". That whole sequence is more or less 1+?=2......and the brain easily fills in the missing "1" without it being shown to us.
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So given all the fresh ideas in the thread lately, I though I'd throw a few of my own out there. I'm sure adywan would consider at least a few of these, and I think they'd really enhandce the ESB:R experience.
When Han and Chewie confront the Probe Droid on Hoth, it's really unlikely that the droid would miss Han so badly, and that Han would hide like a coward rather than firing back. Why not have the droid fire at both of them at the same time, and they could both fire back (but miss due to the extreme cold). Then Luke could ride up on his Taun Taun and slice the droid with his laser sword.
We definitely need more Boba Fett, so why not have him be the one commanding the main AT-AT? Instead of the AT-AT firing a laser at the shield generator, Boba could open the top hatch and fire his backpack rocket at it.
When Luke is training with Yoda, it makes no sense that Luke has to raise R2 with the force, when R2 has jets. Why not add the jets so R2 doesn't look so weak in this scene?
When Luke destroys the Vader clone in the Dagobah cave, it makes no sense that it would be Luke's face in the exploding helmet. Make it Sebastian Shaw's face, or heck, maybe even Hayden's face. He's definitely better looking, so that would be a nice gift for the ladies.
The cave monster that almost eats the Millennium Falcon is too obviously a puppet. Does adywan have a fierce-looking dog? He could film his dog trying to bite a toddler, and then rotoscope it into the place of the cave monster.
Luke's lightsaber should be constantly changing colors during the confrontation with Vader on Bespin, to maintain continuity with the 2004 DVDs.
Han should die at the end. I mean seriously, I know this is a movie, but no one survives carbon freezing in real life. It takes me out of the movie every time.
Thanks adywan!
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Ronster said:
I was talking with somone today who has made a short film and is hoping to release it at frightfest... independanrly funded too... We got on the subject of older films and how new films are planned and formulated and older films were more off the cuff and ambiguous.
Their ambiguity is part of their charm.... So although that was my idea about the shuttle and the troops i fully respect revisited for not taking that onboard but however i hope my energy and enthusiasm rubs off on you and 005 i think you do a great job too....
We all want to make the magic happen and i think this thread has more energy than it has had for a long time
There's a difference between "off the cuff and ambiguous" and "not insulting your audience's intelligence." Films that try to explain every last detail and account for every moment of every character's existence (along with audiences that demand such things) are the underlying reason why a lot of films suck. They don't give the audience anything to think about or talk about after it's over besides simply remembering what happened. As a viewer, if you leave the film as blank-minded as when you went in, then you wasted two hours you could have spent watching a better film.
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ALLOLTV's Frink said:
The cave monster that almost eats the Millennium Falcon is too obviously a puppet. Does adywan have a fierce-looking dog? He could film his dog trying to bite a toddler, and then rotoscope it into the place of the cave monster.
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doubleofive said:
ALLOLTV's Frink said:
The cave monster that almost eats the Millennium Falcon is too obviously a puppet. Does adywan have a fierce-looking dog? He could film his dog trying to bite a toddler, and then rotoscope it into the place of the cave monster.
That's the one that got me LOLing for real too.
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3rd Unit auction to raise funds for materials for ROTJ:R shoot (relevant because it's an item from the ESB:R shoot).
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TV's Frink said:
So given all the fresh ideas in the thread lately, I though I'd throw a few of my own out there. I'm sure adywan would consider at least a few of these, and I think they'd really enhandce the ESB:R experience.
When Han and Chewie confront the Probe Droid on Hoth, it's really unlikely that the droid would miss Han so badly, and that Han would hide like a coward rather than firing back. Why not have the droid fire at both of them at the same time, and they could both fire back (but miss due to the extreme cold). Then Luke could ride up on his Taun Taun and slice the droid with his laser sword.
No, no, no. If anything should be changed, it should be making the probe droid shoot first. We all know Han doesn't shoot first:
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@muddyknees
Are any of you guys keeping some of those film slates as mementos for yourselves, or are you planning to get rid of them all? Now I'm wondering what Adywan is going to do with his new Echo Base hanger after he's done using that - how is that coming along btw?
@TV's Frink, You got me laughing too XD
I got one for your list...
After all those years there, it makes sense that wise Yoda would have something that keeps him up with current events around the galaxy and more entertainment. Let's put a TV in his hut (a large flat-screen, so that it's modernized for the audience); have it turned on in the background to Yoda's favorite show while they're having dinner.