Are Muslims really trying to take over, or are some people just suffering from Islamaphobia? — Page 19

Hey, it's me. said:

No you misunderstand Boost (the Queen indeed! Lol)

These few would be a start.

1. Heavy penalties for Mosques that knowingly allow extreme Imams to preach at their mosques and jail time for repeat offenders. Also the banning of extremist preaching at universities, in the street and everywhere else besides mosques.

violation of free speech and freedom of religion. 

Hey, it's me. said:

2. English language, and UK history and culture to be taught compulsory at every Mosque for Muslims who do not know how to speak the language and are oblivious to UK history.And then tested by an independant adjudicator on their fluency and knowledge.

violation of freedom of religion.    I have no problem with requiring all citizens to learn English and learn the history of the country,  but the government has no right to say what is and isn't to be taught in a house of worship.

Hey, it's me. said:

3. NO Sharia courts in the UK. You live by our laws when it comes to family matters like every other resident of the population.

no problem with this.

Hey, it's me. said:

4. The banning of the Burka as its a security risk.

Violation of freedom of religion.  What is the big deal about the Burkas?   Why do people want to keep interfering with ability of people to practice their religion?   What would we say to any country to banned nuns from dressing as nuns?  or banned Jews from wearing yamakas.    I occasionally wear a cross pin I got as a child.    I would be willing to go to jail before I allowed any government to tell me I couldn't wear it.    

Hey, it's me. said:

5 .(this ones all encompassing, not just Muslims) Child Benefit only payed for 1st 2 children and then your on your own. For new immigrants no benefits and healthcare until you have paid into the system for 2 years. 

what if the third child happened via a rape? 

Hey, it's me. said:

The Burka is not compulsory in Islam. There are already cases arising where it has been used as a guise to commit crimes. Plus it is a very unsocial statement (in my view) and its wearers are basically saying 'I don't want to be part of your society'. The English and History being taught in Mosques was aimed at Muslim immigrant adults who arrive in the UK. And if they don't or refuse then I'm sorry what is your purpose of moving here? You will not be able to find a job without being able to speak English and having some general knowledge of the history and culture of your adoptive country is very beneficial. If you've come for a better quality of life then its hardly a massive sacrifice to do this is it? Failure to do this will ultimately result in deportation. 3 strikes and your out if you will. Those with liberal minds amongst you will probably be choking over your coffee at this one, but I see it more as tough love. Being cruel to be kind. They will ultimately reap the benefits of it. 

Hmm, I feel like I should reiterate the importance of choosing your battles...

Hey, it's me. said:

The Burka is not compulsory in Islam.

irrelevant.

I am not required to wear  a cross all the time, but are you going to tell me that it wouldn't a violation of freedom of religion for the government to tell me that I wasn't allowed to wear the cross?

Hey, it's me. said:

 There are already cases arising where it has been used as a guise to commit crimes.

so are ski masks, sun glasses,  hats, wigs . . .

Hey, it's me. said:

Plus it is a very unsocial statement (in my view)

yeah . . . you're a bigot.

You could also use a shaded motorcycle helmet to commit crimes, or any number of other types of attire that are not under attack. Are a few crimes being committed by people disguised in burkas a good enough excuse to ban them? If enough crimes are committed by people disguised as Nuns, would we really ban Nuns from wearing their habits?

Hey, it's me. said:

5 .(this ones all encompassing, not just Muslims) Child Benefit only payed for 1st 2 children and then your on your own. For new immigrants no benefits and healthcare until you have paid into the system for 2 years. 

what if the third child happened via a rape?

Flush it out!

Okay, just kidding on that one. I really don't have that flippant of an attitude toward abortion. Leave it to Warb to come up with small percentage what if scenarios. But honestly, abortion would be a viable option, otherwise if the individual makes the choice to have the baby even though they already have two others, then it is their choice. Just because they feel they are doing the right thing in a crappy situation, I don't think that should mean the government should have to pay to support it.

Obviously there are exceptions to the rule of childbirth (triplets etc) But how many women will choose to keep a child conceived out of rape? Yeah I gave birth and raised a child who every time I look at them will remind me of the worst and most traumatic moment of my life. Also the chid asking of their father when they're older. Never mind he was a one night stand and I didnt really know him, but your true father was a stranger who raped me. Get real Warbler. 

CP3S said:

Hey, it's me. said:

5 .(this ones all encompassing, not just Muslims) Child Benefit only payed for 1st 2 children and then your on your own. For new immigrants no benefits and healthcare until you have paid into the system for 2 years. 

what if the third child happened via a rape?

 

Flush it out!

 

Okay, just kidding on that one. I really don't have that flippant of an attitude toward abortion. Leave it to Warb to come up with small percentage what if scenarios. But honestly, abortion would be a viable option, otherwise if the individual makes the choice to have the baby even though they already have two others, then it is their choice. Just because they feel they are doing the right thing in a crappy situation, I don't think that should mean the government should have to pay to support it.

So you want to punish women for not wanting to abort a child conceived via rape? 

CP3S said:

Hey, it's me. said:

No you misunderstand Boost (the Queen indeed! Lol)

These few would be a start.

1. Heavy penalties for Mosques that knowingly allow extreme Imams to preach at their mosques and jail time for repeat offenders. Also the banning of extremist preaching at universities, in the street and everywhere else besides mosques.

This one isn't a bad idea.

are you nuts?  (to be clear, CP3S did say we would probably see this as a violation of free speech and freedom of religion in the US)

CP3S said:

4. The banning of the Burka as its a security risk.

Burkas bother me. I absolutely hate what they represent. But I have a hard time getting behind this one.

do the way nuns dress, bother you?

Mrebo said:

 In our society, those enablers are typically liberals. Then those lefties, as you call them, blind themselves to the truth to continue their enabling in good conscience, more or less.

ah . . . more bs blaming the liberals for all the worlds problems.  wonderful.

Warbler said:

So you want to punish women for not wanting to abort a child conceived via rape? 

CP3S said:

Hey, it's me. said:

No you misunderstand Boost (the Queen indeed! Lol)

These few would be a start.

1. Heavy penalties for Mosques that knowingly allow extreme Imams to preach at their mosques and jail time for repeat offenders. Also the banning of extremist preaching at universities, in the street and everywhere else besides mosques.

This one isn't a bad idea.

are you nuts?  (to be clear, CP3S did say we would probably see this as a violation of free speech and freedom of religion in the US)

Thank you for at least somewhat in part beginning to kind of explain the full context of my comment you quoted, even if you did go through the trouble of cutting it out of its actual original context.

CP3S said:

4. The banning of the Burka as its a security risk.

Burkas bother me. I absolutely hate what they represent. But I have a hard time getting behind this one.

do the way nuns dress, bother you?

No. But the habits nuns wear have a very different meaning and purpose than a burka. I don't hate what nun's habits represent, I do hate what burkas represent.

Hey, it's me. said:

No you misunderstand Boost (the Queen indeed! Lol)

These few would be a start.

1. Heavy penalties for Mosques that knowingly allow extreme Imams to preach at their mosques and jail time for repeat offenders. Also the banning of extremist preaching at universities, in the street and everywhere else besides mosques.

2. English language, and UK history and culture to be taught compulsory at every Mosque for Muslims who do not know how to speak the language and are oblivious to UK history.And then tested by an independant adjudicator on their fluency and knowledge.

3. NO Sharia courts in the UK. You live by our laws when it comes to family matters like every other resident of the population.

4. The banning of the Burka as its a security risk.

5 .(this ones all encompassing, not just Muslims) Child Benefit only payed for 1st 2 children and then your on your own. For new immigrants no benefits and healthcare until you have paid into the system for 2 years. 

If You come to actively integrate and contribute you will live a good life. If you don't? Then these are the rules and if you don't agree? Tough shit. 

And by the way. Are fundamentalist Christian and Jews causing worldwide disharmony in societies due to mass immigration and intolerance?

Arguably moving Jews into occupied territories constitutes a contribution to worldwide disharmony and there are plenty of groups who push that as a good idea.

You still seem to be obsessing over the muslims.

What about Catholic and Jewish groups raising money or rallying for political causes?

What about Atheists doing it for that matter?

It's not the brand of religion that's important it's the type of idea and in that case you have to rope in a lot of things said by right wing groups too.

Half the yobs in the BNP can't speak proper English.

Warbler said:

So you want to punish women for not wanting to abort a child conceived via rape? 

I don't see how that is punishment. In a lot of places women receive nothing from the state to help them raise children. It is great they would be getting assistance for their first two children.

If they make the choice to have the baby, that is their choice. It isn't punishment.

CP3S said:

Again, it is hard not to draw the parallels between this and the "Mexican problem" in the US.

there is one little difference: the manner in which some Mexicans entered our country was an illegal one. 

CP3S said:

A lot of people are scared shitless because some formerly white regions have become mostly brown, complete with signs in Spanish, and many people that don't understand more than a handful of words in English.

While I am not scared shitless,  I do kinda think that if people want to live here they should learn English.  Just if you chose to live in Japan, you should learn to speak Japanese.   It would only serve to help them.  

Warbler said:

Hey, it's me. said:

The Burka is not compulsory in Islam.

irrelevant.

I am not required to wear  a cross all the time, but are you going to tell me that it wouldn't a violation of freedom of religion for the government to tell me that I wasn't allowed to wear the cross?

Hey, it's me. said:

 There are already cases arising where it has been used as a guise to commit crimes.

so are ski masks, sun glasses,  hats, wigs . . .

Hey, it's me. said:

Plus it is a very unsocial statement (in my view)

yeah . . . you're a bigot.

Don't call me a bigot. You don't live in London Warbler. Tensions are running very high here at the moment and its only going to get worse. This government and previous ones have turned a blind eye to this for far too long which is why we are in the situation we are in right now. 

CP3S said:

Warbler said:

So you want to punish women for not wanting to abort a child conceived via rape? 

I don't see how that is punishment. In a lot of places women receive nothing from the state to help them raise children. It is great they would be getting assistance for their first two children.

If they make the choice to have the baby, that is their choice. It isn't punishment.

ok, maybe it isn't punishment, but just doesn't seem right to deny benefits to child became its raped mother didn't get an abortion. 

Warb doesn't have to live in London to call you names.

I wouldn't insist on him living with me to call me whatever he wants.

Hey, it's me. said:

Don't call me a bigot.

sorry, but if the shoes fits . . . wear it.

Hey, it's me. said:

You don't live in London Warbler. Tensions are running very high here at the moment and its only going to get worse. This government and previous ones have turned a blind eye to this for far too long which is why we are in the situation we are in right now. 

CP3S said:

Warbler said:

So you want to punish women for not wanting to abort a child conceived via rape? 

CP3S said:

Hey, it's me. said:

No you misunderstand Boost (the Queen indeed! Lol)

These few would be a start.

1. Heavy penalties for Mosques that knowingly allow extreme Imams to preach at their mosques and jail time for repeat offenders. Also the banning of extremist preaching at universities, in the street and everywhere else besides mosques.

This one isn't a bad idea.

are you nuts?  (to be clear, CP3S did say we would probably see this as a violation of free speech and freedom of religion in the US)

Thank you for at least somewhat in part beginning to kind of explain the full context of my comment you quoted, even if you did go through the trouble of cutting it out of its actual original context.

I just don't how you can say it isn't a bad idea.     As for cutting out part of your post,  anyone that wants to read you're full post can easily do so.

CP3S said:

CP3S said:

4. The banning of the Burka as its a security risk.

Burkas bother me. I absolutely hate what they represent. But I have a hard time getting behind this one.

do the way nuns dress, bother you?

No. But the habits nuns wear have a very different meaning and purpose than a burka. I don't hate what nun's habits represent, I do hate what burkas represent.

I thought the burkas represent being Islam.  

I'm highlighting Muslims Bingo because they are causing problems. BIG problems which are directly affecting me and everyone I know. They have brought and contributed nothing to our society. Nothing. Except fucking grief and aggravation. That's why I have a problem with them.

Mrebo said:

And liberals love non-Christian religions.

Well that's a broad brush...I hate all religions. :p

Are they really?

If they are they would be causing the same problems if they weren't Muslims.

Reactionary irrational types are pretty troublesome regardless of which book they read from.

You are obsessing over them because they look and sound different.

The real problem minority have plum accents but look pretty much the same as you these days since they got rid of class uniforms like bowlers and flat caps.

They will be banning the ghost costumes next.

And deleting my "This Thread Is About" thread.

Bingowings said:

Are they really?

If they are they would be causing the same problems if they weren't Muslims.

Reactionary irrational types are pretty troublesome regardless of which book they read from.

You are obsessing over them because they look and sound different.

The real problem minority have plum accents but look pretty much the same as you these days since they got rid of class uniforms like bowlers and flat caps.

Ok I'll put it this way. I have a problem with Islam. A black person looks and sounds different to me, I don't have a problem with them. So does an Indian, so does someone who's Chinese and so on. You've got it wrong.

And A Black Indian Muslim speaking Cantonese?

Read this Warbler.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/Allison-Pearson/8449101/we-too-should-ban-the-burka.html