Puggo GRANDE - 16mm restoration (Released) — Page 30

none said:

Joel wrote: I am attempting to sync the Scofield audio to Puggo Grande and I must say my respect for all of you who have done this kind of work has gone up tremendously
Scofield is slower and lower-pitched than the PG audio, so I'm hoping an analog or analog-style ("speed up the tape") fix will go a long way toward making this job easier, but.... yow!

I can't recall someone attempting to re-sync an audio cassette recording of one of these movies with an official release.  The closest work you are attempting, done by someone else, would be the PAL NTSC, but those are known quantities, you are dealing with an on the fly shifting.  Get it as close as you can.

This is exactly what I have had to do for all of my sound syncs.  Capturing 16mm audio requires using an old analog projector, and so it never aligns with the frame captures.  In some cases I'm synching audio from a different source (such as for the PG, and for PSB).  And whenever there is a splice in the film you have to adjust for that. Vegas lets you cut tracks into segments and stretch them independently.  I'm sure my syncs aren't perfect.

Yes, it is very tedious work.  When the scene is something mechanical, like a laser blast, it doesn't matter so much if you're off by a frame or two.  But getting voices to line up with lip movements is really hard, and even being just one frame off cane make it look wrong.

One trick I've learned is to err on the side of audio being late.  In the real world, our brains have come to expect the light to arrive before the sound.  So if the audio is late, you might notice it.  But if the audio arrives early, it feels really wierd.  Doesn't work for close-ups.

For info, Belbucus did a GOUT sync of an in theatre 70mm recording of Star Wars but it was only in one channel with a 93 mix in the other.....

Hiya, you can get any of my work now from Boba Feta's.

is the swedish version out there?

anyone?

later

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606 days old in the newsgroups.......

russs15 said:

606 days old in the newsgroups.......

any non newsgroup links out there?

can't do those... more like spleen or

file sharing would be good..

thanks..

later

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doubleKO said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

One trick I've learned is to err on the side of audio being late.  In the real world, our brains have come to expect the light to arrive before the sound.  So if the audio is late, you might notice it.  But if the audio arrives early, it feels really wierd.  Doesn't work for close-ups.

I'm quite sensitive to audio advances and delays and I have to say I would prefer a 100ms audio advance to a 50ms audio delay. The former is more obvious, but the latter is more frustrating for some reason.

i've been doing some syncing lately too,

and delays are more noticeable to me to..

anyone find other links or places for this?

still looking for the Swedish version of the 16mm..

later

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^ yeah, the question of the stupid Swedish name Tuggbak has been brought up many times, it came up in discussions on this page as well: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Stj-rnornas-Krig-Swedish-16mm-print/topic/11896/page/5/

negative1 said:

more like spleen would be good

Sim-sim salabeem!

bilditup1 said:

negative1 said:

more like spleen would be good

Sim-sim salabeem!

it's quite teh paradox on how to get it..

but thanks to some people i have found it.

but i will check here in case i have an issue.

later

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It is still on usenet.

Never once had a hassle in over ten years. PM me and I can help you out with puggy goodness.

negative1 said:

russs15 said:

606 days old in the newsgroups.......

any non newsgroup links out there?

can't do those... more like spleen or

file sharing would be good..

thanks..

 

later

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Send me a PM, I can help you out.

Puggo, with the audio, I popped a hall effect sensor and a magnet on the main drive of the projector, and made a simple circuit to have a 'sound pulse' with each frame trigger, recorded onto another audio track at the same time that the main audio was being captured. That way I would have a 'click' per frame.

I figured I could then use that click track to adjust the audio automagically to match the film capture as there would be a reference track for adjusting the audio.

I never got around to testing it out though on a finished capture. The clicks are in the audio file, I just never got onto working out how to then adjust the captured audio to sync, but it might be an idea that could work.