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I think George's idea of 'dark' is a tad different than ours. I'll say it's still PG.
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I really don't care about the rating of the movie... After seeing Episode 1 and 2, I'm not expecting all that much out of episode 3 anyway.


Seconded.


Thirded.


Fourthed.


Fifthed. Can I say that? sounds weird.


Sixthed. Will this never end?
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I sure hope it does! It's getting annoying.

Besides, considering the improvement from TMP to AOTC, then ROTS could be the best of the three.

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from TPM to AOTC wasnt that big of an improvement...
it went from 80% CG to 90% CG...
lol

if anything ROTS will still be shit but just not as big a pile of shit...
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Let's face it; the MPAA rating system is a joke. Take a good hard look at how films are rated outside the US and you'll discover that their interpretation of what is fit for certain audiences is much more accurate than what the MPAA does. There are many PG-13 films that I will let my kids watch, but there are certain PG films I won't let them watch, and R is absolutely out of the question. I took my kids to see Spider-Man 2 @ the theatres because its true objectionable content is kept to a minimum. They've seen Pirates of the Caribbean and the Mummy movies for the same reason. I would not hesitate to take them to a PG-13 ROTS because I know that it would only get that rating for violence, and the violence is so cartoony to begin with that it wouldn't be an issue. Pirates of the Caribbean proved that PG-13 doesn't have to be an audience limiting factor, but it seems that MPAA ratings have to be tailored to a specific audience (generally speaking) in order for a film to be successful, and that's what makes the system a joke.

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You're right that the MPAA's rating system is nowhere near as useful as say ours - with the exception that it's near impossible to get a movie banned in the US, censorship really needs to be relaxed.
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And thanks to our Post-Nipplegate media-McCarthyism (thanks, Janet), who knows when it will happen.
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Why? Censorship is relaxed enough--Letting movies like "Saved!" and "Kill Bill" play in theaters... I'm surprised they even made them black-and-white the big fight.





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if anything ROTS will still be **** but just not as big a pile of it...


Only assuming that you didn't like the first two prequels.

Which you obviously didn't.

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did anyone??
lol
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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did anyone??
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I like em. I love Star Wars.
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Episode III will be the Revenge of the Shit. Will it be darker than Empire? Most likely not since Lucas is at the helm. Considering the kiddiness of I and II compared to the OT, I'll say it'll be PG. Lucas lies all the time. he's just trying to stir discussions like this up. ; )
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Well, I don't know, I have some faith in the crew working on episode 3, and I know GL has learned from his mistakes from TPM to AOTC. I'm sure it'll be the best prequel movie, but it won't be better than any of the original ones.
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Episode III will be the Revenge of the Shit. Will it be darker than Empire? Most likely not since Lucas is at the helm. Considering the kiddiness of I and II compared to the OT, I'll say it'll be PG. Lucas lies all the time. he's just trying to stir discussions like this up. ; )


It will definutly be much darker then Empire. First of all Attack of the Clones is probably the second darkest of the Star Wars movies. Return of the Jedi has the empire getting defeated by teddy bears but you can call Attack of the Clones childish. Statments like that make no sense. Attack of the Clones was far far better then The Phantom Menace. This is not Lucas learning from mistakes. What it is was always the plan. Episode 1 was always going to be as much of a kids movies as possible. He did it this way because he knew Episode 2 would be much much darker and Episode 3 would not be happy by any stretch of the imagination. Considering how many characters are going to die and how the galaxy is going to be plunged into darkness Revenge of the Sith might be one of the most depressing movies in a while.
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ROTS depressing???
jimbo have you ever even seen a depressing movie????
ROTS is going to be shit no matter what...

if it can't surpass the OT in its first two movies than how is this one going to do it???

and AOTC was hardly dark...
it had one dark moment and then everything was blown to shit with Lucas' cheesy love story....
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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AOTC had hardly any darkness and WAS childish. The scene in that droid factory is like a gigantic video game level (which I actually read in several reviews), Yoda fighting, the horrible dialogue... But I don't feel like arguing about the prequels with you. It's obvious where your faith lies.
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Episode III will be the Revenge of the Shit. Will it be darker than Empire? Most likely not since Lucas is at the helm. Considering the kiddiness of I and II compared to the OT, I'll say it'll be PG. Lucas lies all the time. he's just trying to stir discussions like this up. ; )


It will definutly be much darker then Empire. First of all Attack of the Clones is probably the second darkest of the Star Wars movies. Return of the Jedi has the empire getting defeated by teddy bears but you can call Attack of the Clones childish. Statments like that make no sense. Attack of the Clones was far far better then The Phantom Menace. This is not Lucas learning from mistakes. What it is was always the plan. Episode 1 was always going to be as much of a kids movies as possible. He did it this way because he knew Episode 2 would be much much darker and Episode 3 would not be happy by any stretch of the imagination. Considering how many characters are going to die and how the galaxy is going to be plunged into darkness Revenge of the Sith might be one of the most depressing movies in a while.


If you think ROTS is going to be depressing, then watch some movies like "Magnolia", "Edward Scissorhands", or even better: watch "Threads", THAT'S depressing. You'll end up wanting to kill yourself.

I belive ROST might have a more serious tone, almost as serious as ESB. But still, it'll be the good old crappy CGI and plot extravaganza.
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Episode III will be the Revenge of the Shit. Will it be darker than Empire? Most likely not since Lucas is at the helm. Considering the kiddiness of I and II compared to the OT, I'll say it'll be PG. Lucas lies all the time. he's just trying to stir discussions like this up. ; )


It will definutly be much darker then Empire. First of all Attack of the Clones is probably the second darkest of the Star Wars movies. Return of the Jedi has the empire getting defeated by teddy bears but you can call Attack of the Clones childish. Statments like that make no sense. Attack of the Clones was far far better then The Phantom Menace. This is not Lucas learning from mistakes. What it is was always the plan. Episode 1 was always going to be as much of a kids movies as possible. He did it this way because he knew Episode 2 would be much much darker and Episode 3 would not be happy by any stretch of the imagination. Considering how many characters are going to die and how the galaxy is going to be plunged into darkness Revenge of the Sith might be one of the most depressing movies in a while.


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I like em. I love Star Wars.


If you "love" star wars so much, you should know that the Ewoks are much more than "teddy bears". Also, Attack of the clones was not a dark movie at all... It might of had a few scenes which were suppose to be "dark", but because of the bad acting, they were mostly just funny. I laugh everytime I hear Anakin say "I KILLED THEM! I KILLED ALL OF THEM!". It's corny and very poor acting. And then there is the whole Yoda duel. That was just as childish as having little "teddy bears" throw rocks at the storm troopers... I mean, it's an old small frog-looking guy who is bouncing off the walls like he had to much caffine.

Another thing that made AOTC very un-dark, was the fact that it has had the biggest romance story in any of the movies so far... There were countless scenes of Anakin and Padme just talking and laughing and flirting when they were on Naboo... the first half of the movie was basically a chick flick.

I am not expecting anything good to come out of episode three because nothing good came out of the other prequels. I love Star Wars, but Episode 1, 2 and probably 3 are not what I would consider star wars. The acting is no where near as good as the originals, the characters are not as interesting, the storyline is completly predicteble (I mean, we all know already that Anakin is going to become Darth Vader... But when Star Wars first came out, did any of us know that Darth Vader was Luke's father?) and the worst part is, instead of "making the star wars universe better", they have merely made it worse. Changing people's entire background stories just to make more money (Boba Fett... ). Not a single good thing has come out of the prequels in my opinion, and I just wish he had never made them... And if he HAD to make them, he should of at least made them better. He should be making the prequels tie in with the original trilogy, he shouldn't edit and change the original trilogy to make it tie in with the prequels.

All in all, I guess the prequels are okay movies... But they're very, VERY poor STAR WARS movies.


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Boba Fett is a clone of some random aussie-sounding guy that got his head cut off? Lame. There's no way in hell I'm listening to that assholes voice in ESB DVD Edition. Fucking stupid.
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Much anger I sense in all of you. Started down the dark path you have.




*Wonders how Justin could not like Yoda's fight with Dokuu...*

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I liked it plenty...as a momentary high. But give me the muppet anyday.
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I liked it plenty...as a momentary high. But give me the muppet anyday.


Don't get me wrong I loved the Yoda puppet and would be against replacing him with a digital model in The Empire Strikes Back. I wouldn't mind a couple digital enhancements but not a total replacement. But the digital Yoda was definutly the way to go for Attack of the Clones. His unrestricted digital form gave him tons of new abilities. Seeing his feet while walking, improved hand motion, riding a hover chair, and of course kicking ass.
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You wouldn't mind a few digital enhancements in ESB? Oh my god.

Take a look, boys and girls. This is the new George Lucas generation...
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They deserve the prequels. No, wait; they deserve WORSE than the prequels.

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Darth and Jaster, good posts. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Jimbo, you sound like a pretty intelligent guy, so it surprises me that you welcome digital enhancements and digital characters like the PT yoda. Now don't get me wrong, CGI is a great artform. I really enjoy movies like Finding Nemo and Toy Story. But no matter how "pretty" CGI is, computer graphics have yet to reach the point of realism where they fit seamlessly with live action video. While I'm watching a movie, I want to forget reality and be immersed in the story's environment. The OT is so beautiful because it brings us a whole universe filled with objects and characters that seem remarkably tangible and real. Half the reason I could not enjoy TPM and ATOC was because every time a CGI object appeared on screen (about every scene), I recognized it as fake and was jolted back into reality and out of the story. The CG characters are especially disconcerting. How are you supposed to invest interest in a cartoon character that is supposed to exist in a live action universe?

Today, I was watching ESB preSE today and for every spaceship, creature, building, etc, I tried my best to look for details that made it stand out as fake. It wasn't easy. The stop motion effects of a couple wanton (sp?) running scenes and a background at Bespin (matte painting) appeared fake, but that was it! I have so much respect for the modelers that worked on the starwars movies. Miniature models with good motion capture will beat out current CG effects everytime, hands down.

The great thing about the OT is that the story only included special effects when it was possible to make them look realistic. If it couldn't be done with realistic miniatures, the story did not include the scene. Sure it might be fun to see Yoda use a lightsaber and fight, but if this cannot be done realistically (ie with a muppet), then it is simply not worth it. Unfortunately, George Lucas apparently feels CG effects look sufficiently realistic and has lets his movies include scenes that can only be done in the computer. Not only this, but he also now draws in objects that COULD be done as superior looking miniatures!

Now I know that movie costs have risen dramatically compared to the late 70's, early 80's. Perhaps good modelers are too costly to hire? But what I found interesting is that on the ESB commentary track, a special effects commentator mentioned that it took 9 months to do all of the special effects seen in ESB. But now with the PT, which is 90% CG, it takes 2 years post-production to do add all the effects and scenery for each movie. Time is money and it would seem 2 years of CG would still be at least as costly as 9 months of modeling.